Indrajala wrote:Is it the promise of quick power and attainments that attracts you?
If you are attracted to power, what does that say about your own personality and desires?
kirtu wrote:It says that we want to perfect generosity, bring a decisive end to material poverty and want for all beings and cure the diseases of all beings, esp. their spiritual illnesses.
Luke wrote:, so I found it very frustrating to practice tantric meditations which had so many details
Luke wrote:I also disliked having to read Tibetan texs while simultaneously thinking of the meaning in English while simultaneously visualizing the right things while simultaneously thinking of the meaning of each of the visualized things
Luke wrote:other aspect of Vajrayana which some people may not like is the guru devotion aspect.
gregkavarnos wrote:Who SHOULDN'T practice Vajrayana? People that don't want to practice Vajrayana! It's not like anybody is pointing a gun at your head or anything...
Luke wrote:So what types of people do you think would dislike practicing Vajrayana the most?
So people who get distracted by many details might not enjoy Tibetan Buddhism, since it is just overflowing with many different terms and symbols which each have specific meanings. Not everyone wants to put up with this complication. It can be more stressful than relaxing.
Simon E. wrote:yegyal wrote:People who have no trust in the teachings. People unwilling to, or incapable of, following a qualified teacher. People who can't keep a promise or a secret.
Hickersonia wrote:Simon E. wrote:yegyal wrote:People who have no trust in the teachings. People unwilling to, or incapable of, following a qualified teacher. People who can't keep a promise or a secret.
Perhaps then this could be amended to include: "People who believe that the teachings were never intended to be secret at all."
Not trying to start an argument -- just adding another qualifier that might answer the original prompt.
Malcolm wrote:It makes you wonder if the secrecy advocated in the Buddhist tantras is not so much about being secret as it is "Hey guys, this Hindu yoga stuff is freaking awesome, but if our Buddhist compatriots get wind of how effective this stuff is a) they won't believe us b) they will consider us heretics no matter how much we insist our view is grounded in Buddhadharma".
Astus wrote:Malcolm wrote:It makes you wonder if the secrecy advocated in the Buddhist tantras is not so much about being secret as it is "Hey guys, this Hindu yoga stuff is freaking awesome, but if our Buddhist compatriots get wind of how effective this stuff is a) they won't believe us b) they will consider us heretics no matter how much we insist our view is grounded in Buddhadharma".
And that gives another group of who shouldn't practice Vajrayana. Those who don't believe in ("transcendent") energy and related ideas.
“I must stress here that visualize does not mean you should try to paint a picture of the refuge tree in your mind; that would be impossible. Visualization is very like thinking about the person who is closest to you in this life-your mother, for example. Try imagining her standing in front of you right now. As you do so, I’m quite sure you are not thinking about the exact shape of her ear. Or whether or not her toes curl. Or how many moles she has on her back. In fact, that kind of detail has probably never even occurred to you. At the same time, I am equally sure that you have created a strong sense of your mother in your mind and that you are completely confident it really is her. This is how you should visualize the objects of refuge, and the confidence you feel in your visualization is of utmost importance.”Luke wrote:As for me, I'm a bit obsessive about details, so I found it very frustrating to practice tantric meditations which had so many details and I hated the feeling of never being entirely confident that I was practicing them correctly. I could ask lamas questions, but still I was never very confident about my practice. All the complicated details were very distracting for me. ("Who is this guy in the deity's retinue? What's the meaning of this mantra? What's the meaning of this term? etc.)
That's just people being silly. Lamas often recommend the 50 Stanzas on Guru Devotion as the manual on Guru Devotion, but they rarely explicitly state that that's it. Nothing more than what is stated in the text needs to be done. If the Guru is a Buddha, he has no need or want for praise, stuff, service, etc.Luke wrote:Being around people who are always eager to throw themselves on their faces for their lama and who are always scurrying around to get him just the right teas and tasty treats and to make sure that they have arranged every detail in the precise way that will make him/her happy might be annoying for some people.
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