Johnny Dangerous wrote:You can read The Book of Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi, and The Life Giving Sword by Yagyu Muenori if you want to read something historical to see just how deeply Zen philosophy was integrated into their mindsets..minus the morality lol..although, in The Life Giving Sword there is some talk of that if I recall though, as you can sort of tell by the name.
Luke wrote:Johnny Dangerous wrote:You can read The Book of Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi, and The Life Giving Sword by Yagyu Muenori if you want to read something historical to see just how deeply Zen philosophy was integrated into their mindsets..minus the morality lol..although, in The Life Giving Sword there is some talk of that if I recall though, as you can sort of tell by the name.
I read both of those when I was a boy, but I don't remember them clearly.
But if Munenori could write "The Life-Giving Sword," perhaps a Navy SEAL could write "The Life-Giving HK MP5 Assault Rifle." lol
Sometimes I feel that the samurai are given sort of a "free pass" because their weapons and equipment were just so beautiful and because they wrote texts which could at least sound spiritual. The katana sword wins in a beauty contest against any gun, and most people give special treatment to beautiful things.
dyanaprajna2011 wrote:I was always confused about why the samurai were held up by some as examples of Zen. They practiced Zen, yes, but their practice lacked compassion, and the Buddha's teachings on loving-kindness. Warriors, even if Buddhists, are not good examples of Buddhism.
Astus wrote:It is interesting that while the Crusades are cited to show how the Christian(s / Church) can be vicious and bloodthirsty, Eastern warriors are acceptable. Although perhaps the whole romance surrounding chivalric virtues and stories is a more appropriate parallel to the idea of the samurai. Indeed, the acceptance of Buddhism in the West is part of the Romantic movement.
seeker242 wrote:Interesting article here. THE FIVE VARIETIES OF ZEN http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/awa ... types.html
"The second of the five kinds of Zen is called gedo. Gedo means literally "an outside way" and so implies, from the Buddhist point of view, teachings other than Buddhist."
According to this, they did practice "zen" but they did not practice "Buddhist zen".
seeker242 wrote:Training your mind to be focused just so you can be a better warrior has nothing to do with "seeing your true nature" thus it has nothing to do with zen. According to Bodhidharma.
Astus wrote:The "five types of Zen" was created by Guifeng Zongmi. "Samurai Zen" doesn't fit in it anywhere, the so called outsider Zen is for non-Buddhist religious practitioners, particularly Taoists and Confucianists, as Zongmi explains in his "Origin of Humanity".
Luke wrote:So this "Bompu Zen" idea was made up by Yasutani-roshi or by some other Japanese Zen teacher?
Astus wrote:The order presented on the Wanderling's site is different from the original as it first puts ordinary Zen followed by outsider Zen. Originally the Zen of ordinary people means those Buddhist practitioners who don't aim for any liberation but rather to accumulating merit and gaining pleasurable birth as humans and gods. The difference in Zongmi's system between outsiders' and ordinary people's Zen lies in accepting the teaching of karma and rebirth or not, that is, Buddhist or non-Buddhist. Both follow basic precepts against the worst misdeeds and cultivate some sort of spiritual practice, that can be conveniently called the eight absorptions as they are the requirements for birth in the form and formless heavens. The Wanderling's site's description of Bompu and Gedo Zen focus more on pursuing worldly goals in defining them, however, those following a materialist philosophy don't qualify for any level of Zen in Zongmi's system. It is another thing that the other three levels are also understood differently by the Wanderling and Zongmi.
Luke wrote:So did Yasutani-roshi invent this particular classification which starts with "bompu" and "gedo"?
Meido wrote:So to address the original question: of course the samurai are not good symbols of Zen. They are good symbols of, well, a period of Japanese history...the nature of which was quite different from romanticized - or movie and manga derived - ideas of what "samurai" means.
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