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Atheism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

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Re: Atheism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

Postby vinasp » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:01 am

Hi Nana,

In my understanding the "official" position of the orthodox Theravada
tradition is that parinibbana is complete extinction.

Are you questioning this?

Regards, Vincent.

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Re: Atheism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

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Re: Atheism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:07 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Atheism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

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Re: Atheism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

Postby vinasp » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:24 am

Hi Retro,

So the Five Nikaya's contradict the later Theravada interpretation.
What is your position on this?

1. The Five Nikaya's are correct.

2. The later Theravada interpretation is correct.

3. Both are correct.

4. Both are wrong.

Regards, Vincent.

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Re: Atheism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

Postby DarwidHalim » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:51 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Atheism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

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Re: Theism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:39 am

Theism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

Well, the Buddha's teaching certainly is not theistic nor is it atheistic materialism.

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Re: Atheism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

Postby vinasp » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:03 pm

Hi everyone,

Perhaps I have misunderstood the later Theravada position, I was thinking
of this passage:

From: What the Buddha taught, by Walpola Rahula - online version - Link:

http://www.quangduc.com/English/basic/6 ... ht-04.html

"Some popular inaccurately phrased expressions like ‘The Buddha entered into Nirvāna or Parinirvāna after his death’ have given rise to many imaginary speculations about Nirvāna. [22]The moment you hear the phrase that ‘the Buddha entered into Nirvāna or Parinirvāna’, you take Nirvāna to be a state, or a realm, or a position in which there is some sort of existence, and try to imagine it in terms of the senses of the word ‘existence’ as it is known to you. This popular expression ‘entered into Nirvāna’ has no equivalent in the original texts. There is no such thing as ‘entering into Nirvāna after death’. There is a word parinibbuto used to denote the death of the Buddha or an Arahant who has realized Nirvāna, but it does not mean ‘entering into Nirvāna’. Parinibbuto simply mean ‘fully blown out’ or ‘fully extinct’, because the Buddha or an Arahant has no re-existence after his death."

Regards, Vincent.

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Re: Atheism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

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Re: Theism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

Postby piotr » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:24 pm

Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...

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Re: Atheism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

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Re: Atheism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

Postby DarwidHalim » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:31 pm

Vinasp:
Parinibbuto means 'fully extinct'.

What is the exact difference between 'fully extinct' and nihilism?
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Atheism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

Postby reflection » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:38 pm

I get the general impression that people who tend to call themselves "Buddhist atheists" (mainly found in the West) practice the dhamma more diligently than a lot of "religious Buddhists" (mainly found in the East). And I think that is the most important thing, the practice. If you are a bit open to being wrong (whatever ideas you have), right view will be a natural result of the practice. So if someone can't really believe in rebirth (I freely guess that's what atheism is referring to in this context), that's not nescessarily an unskillful false dhamma in my eyes. Also, believing in rebirth is not the same as having right view.

It all depends on how we practice with our ideas. Do we hold onto them or do we let them go? Because in the end all ideas are wrong. Right view is not based on logic, philosophy or our knowledge of the suttas.

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Re: Atheism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

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Re: Atheism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

Postby DarwidHalim » Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:50 pm

How about 'fully extinct'?
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Atheism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

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Re: Atheism is an Unskillful False Dhamma

Postby DarwidHalim » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:22 pm

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!


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