I just want to hear your opinion. No offenses please,

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Don't take me too seriously.

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Postby yan kong » Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:47 am

"Meditation is a spiritual exercise, not a therapeutic regime... Our intention is to enter Nirvana, not to make life in Samsara more tolerable." Chan Master Hsu Yun

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Postby Wayfarer » Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:52 am

The Buddha is not concerned with or teaching 'belief' as such. There is a need for some degree of belief, as in a 'willingness to consider', but the emphasis in Buddhism is on seeing how the processes of the mind give rise to suffering through mis-identification, and so on.

But if there are those who wish to pursue liberation through belief in God, then that is their perogative.
In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities; in the expert's mind there are few ~ Suzuki-roshi

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Re: I just want to hear your opinion. No offenses please,

Postby M.G. » Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:54 am

I've met a few theists who are truly bewildered, even threatened, by the reality of a world religion which denies a creator God.

Other than that, I'd say that quotes like those cited in the OP highlight how often people use the cloak of religion to voice whatever they find convenient or clever.

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Re: I just want to hear your opinion. No offenses please,

Postby jonaz108 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:13 am

[/quote]

Buddha Shakyamuni indeed talked about the so-called supreme deity/creator god in a Pali sutta and explained that this god was simply the first to be reborn in his particular pure realm and just assumed he was an all-powerful creator. Ad then of course Madhyamaka teachings, which simply clarify fundamental teachings given by the Buddha, destroy the argument for the possibility of a creator god. So...[/quote]

He acknowledged the existence of gods (plural) but that they were not our creators nor our saviours . The OP suggested that the Buddha said that gods did not exist. He did not say that.

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No I didn't...
Srila Prabhupada (not me) said that Buddha denied the existence of a Supreme Creator God, not Devas or Demi-Gods.
"...Lord Buddha therefore said that there is no God,..."
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Postby Simon E. » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:32 am

The term ' Hinduism' is shorthand for a whole raft of views from Bhaktiyoga to impersonal Vedanta. It was invented by western scholars. But it is a convenient piece of shorthand...
What is common to all ' Hindu ' traditions is a complete unwllingness to examine the possibility that a system of belief can exist which is outside of its purlieu.

So everything must be gathered up and explained by the light of ' Hinduism '..therefore the Buddha and even Jesus must be Incarnations of Visnu.

This universalism and appropriation amounts to an excellent way to completely misunderstand all non Hindu paths. It is even more effective than opposing them.
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my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
chasing the deer."

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Re: I just want to hear your opinion. No offenses please,

Postby jonaz108 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:06 pm

I am sad to see that some people prefer cheap insults rather than debate...
There was nothing offensive in this verse from the Srimad Bhagavatam,
which has 5000 years old at least, and was not invented by Srila Prabhupada...
I am in favor of pluralism but all I see is hatred between cultivators of all
traditions, some Vaishnavas included. So sad.
With that, I am taking temporary break from forums of the kind, and
dedicate myself to my sadhana.
I am honored to have met some good souls here... sorry, some good people here.
Your friend and servant,
John
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