greentara wrote:jeeprs, "I am also averse to the suggestion that if you advocate a traditionalist view, then you are, therefore 'a slave to Christian morality', or are 'blaming or spreading guilt'. The fact that a discussion of the morality of pornography can't be had, without that accusation being made, says something"
I agree with you totally. Secularism is the new religion, the net is flooded by porn so where's all this supposed guilt? Most people revel and celebrate sex unashamedly. It's everywhere, it saturates the media, people talk and joke about it constantly. As far as I can see there's not much guilt around at all.
I'm way late to the discussion, but this stuck out at me...people in Christian cultures usually don't show or admit guilt
, much less being publicly contrite about anything they do, unless caught in the act. So it is 100% unsurprising that you can't "see guilt" surrounding sex in these cultures. Nonetheless, I think if you make even a basic, cursory analysis of sex and it's place in the lives of many in Christian cultures, there is a huge undercurrent of not only guilt, but all kinds of other things surrounding it, sex is connected at such a deep level to so much of how we see ourselves in relation to others, i'm not sure these simple answers do it for me.
In addition, I think it's very simplistic when talking about media to just chalk it up to "sex sells", sex sells not only because it's sex, but because sex itself is representational and connected to a whole bunch of other complicated neuroses and desires, plenty of which aren't actually related directly to sex. I remember going to strip clubs as a young man, one thing that is very interesting about these places is just how little what is going on is actually about sex, the pervasive feeling is loneliness, isolation, and people lacking a feeling of love, acceptance, or belonging..on both ends of the transaction, it's a fantasy of being "wanted", played out through sex.
It just seems like an awfully convenient answer (and I have to say, somewhat puritanical) to shake our fists as if "sex" is it's own thing, part of why sex is so powerful is because it is biological but also often deeply connected to a bunch of seemingly non-sexual stuff for us, so to me, the place to start if one wants to know what is right or wrong with sex in their lives is to try tracing that stuff within ourselves, rather than trying to set hard and fast rules about masturbation etc. Does anyone really need hard and fast (lol) rules about masturbation to figure out what's right or wrong?
"Just as a lotus does not grow out of a well-levelled soil but from the mire, in the same way the awakening mind
is not born in the hearts of disciples in whom the moisture of attachment has dried up. It grows instead in the hearts of ordinary sentient beings who possess in full the fetters of bondage." -Se Chilbu Choki Gyaltsen