gregkavarnos wrote:I invite everybody (and I really mean everybody) to give constructive (and I REALLY mean constructive) input. It will be truly appreciated. Please do not take this as an opportunity to further lay the boot in. I am quite sick of the taste of shoe leather and rubber soles.
Of course this is not constructive. This is a perfect example of the sort of anal expulsiveness (to use a Freudian term) that exemplifies what I have to put up with on an almost daily basis. But I am not going to ask for your post to "go away", because I am going to use it in order to teach what a constructive criticism would actually be. Let's break it down shall we?Simon E. wrote:A frank response.
I think your taking leave is an unqualifiedly good thing for everyone . Particularly you.
I think the idea to have you pissing out of the boat instead of your erstwhile pissing in was good in theory,,but has not worked out in practice.
The same guy who was frequently suspended ( or took himself off in a sulk I never knew which) never left. But just shifted all his iraccibility and verbal incontinence and personality issues into the role as mod.
I think that you have not the psychological maturity for the role.
None of which justifies your being labelled as anything you are not by people whose instability was in evidence and should have been stopped long before they started mod-baiting.
Personally while wishing you well, sincerely, I hope you will extend your period away.
Who knows it might even result in the reappearance of some old faces.
If thats not 'constructive ' enough then I am sure you can and will make it go away.
A constructive statement would then go on to explain why taking leave would be "an unqalifiedly good thing" and why "Particularly for you".I think your taking leave is an unqualifiedly good thing for everyone . Particularly you.
A constructive statement would elucidate on what exactly "pissing" means in this specific instance. What "in" or "out" means in relation to the action.I think the idea to have you pissing out of the boat instead of your erstwhile pissing in was good in theory,,but has not worked out in practice.
A constructive statement would outline what exactly is meant by psychological maturity, so that the individual asking for peoples opinion and help (ie me) can then work on developing the aspect of "psychological maturity".I think that you have not the psychological maturity for the role.
This is just untrue. I won't go into why exactly, though I could, as it will just (unecessarily) open a Pandoras box.The same guy who was frequently suspended...
I am not going to argue against the fact that I suffer from these problems, a constructive statement would be one that would recommend to me how I can overcome these problems....iraccibility and verbal incontinence and personality issues into the role as mod.
The fact that you ended your tirade with this qualifier is evidence that you are well aware of the unconstructive nature of your, to quote your words: "verbal incontinence".If thats not 'constructive ' enough then I am sure you can and will make it go away.
I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was staying near Rajagaha in the Bamboo Grove, the Squirrels' Sanctuary. Then the brahman Akkosaka Bharadvaja heard that a brahman of the Bharadvaja clan had gone forth from the home life into homelessness in the presence of the Blessed One. Angered & displeased, he went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, insulted & cursed him with rude, harsh words.
When this was said, the Blessed One said to him: "What do you think, brahman: Do friends & colleagues, relatives & kinsmen come to you as guests?"
"Yes, Master Gotama, sometimes friends & colleagues, relatives & kinsmen come to me as guests."
"And what do you think: Do you serve them with staple & non-staple foods & delicacies?"
"Yes, sometimes I serve them with staple & non-staple foods & delicacies."
"And if they don't accept them, to whom do those foods belong?"
"If they don't accept them, Master Gotama, those foods are all mine."
"In the same way, brahman, that with which you have insulted me, who is not insulting; that with which you have taunted me, who is not taunting; that with which you have berated me, who is not berating: that I don't accept from you. It's all yours, brahman. It's all yours.
"Whoever returns insult to one who is insulting, returns taunts to one who is taunting, returns a berating to one who is berating, is said to be eating together, sharing company, with that person. But I am neither eating together nor sharing your company, brahman. It's all yours. It's all yours."
So please engage in one.Simon E. wrote:I am well aware of that which constitutes a constructive response.
Well, you interpreted it wrongly. I am not after "pleas to stay and sympathy for my plight", I requested constructive input from everybody. CONSTRUCTIVE. I am a big boy and quite capable of dealing with well intentioned criticism. WELL INTENTIONED.However I chose to interpret that as a plea to not be given what you are so adept as dishing out, and so I frankly, ignored it and said what I actually think instead.
Which of course may well differ from you you wanted to hear..which was presumably pleas to stay and sympathy for your plight.
I have no idea regarding the meaning of this metaphor. I do not understand what it means. I do not understand exactly what you are trying to say. Am I being clear?I think you know exactly what I meant by your having spent a long time..years.. pissing into the boat at every opportunity.
Dude! You are holding a grudge against me since E-Sangha days!!!??? I mean, here I was trying to understand where all this anger that you display towards me comes from, and now you tell me it was due to some flippant remarks I may have made years ago??? I'm stunned!I think your present situation is a result of you sowing winds going right back to your time as one of the hecklers and sneerers-in chief on E Sangha, and that you are now reaping the whirlwind..
Now you have certainly given me some food for thought.(14) When we hear only language that is foul and abusive,
This is the wheel of sharp weapons returning
Full circle upon us from wrongs we have done.
Till now we have said many things without thinking;
We have slandered and caused many friendships to end.
Hereafter let’s censure all thoughtless remarks.
a) Wrong. b) Completely irrelevant.Of course labelling you as a Dolgyal follower was fatuous and ridiculous, but it is noticeable that the person who did that was allowed to spout fatuous calumnies in an unrestricted way , until he made the mistake of including mods in his ravings.
I am not penning a "Goodbye Cruel Website", quite the contrary, I am not planning to leave the website, just mulling over resigning from my role as moderator and explaining to people why I am taking leave (in order to circumvent the atrocious quantities of gossip that will ensue).But I am not the subject here. It is not me that is penning a ' Goodbye Cruel Website.'
Now that is a tragic outburst. I'm sad to hear you feel that way. Now that you are done can you step aside and let the next one in line put their boot in? Thanks.Simon E. wrote:If you really think that my response was about 'flippant' remarks, or that my reply was an expression of some personal vendetta, and that my attitude towards you is not shared widely by many who no longer post on this forum, then you are not only carrying a whole load of aggression..a fact which is well known, but you are naif.
And therein I suspect lies much of the problem. You see yourself as having made a few flippant remarks a long time ago. The reality is that the number of eyebrows that shot skywards when you were made a mod would amount to a forest...Just weeks before you had performed one of your 'toys out of the pram' routines and then crawled back sheepishly.
If you don't want honesty then just quietly slip away..temporarily or otherwise.
Dont hold up a big ' kick me ' sign and then whine when people oblige.
I will leave you in peace. Or what ever passes for peace
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