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Relic

Postby steve19800 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:29 am

Hi all,

So I have this question about Relic. Between all school of Buddhism, in my opinion, I have no doubt that Theravada is the teaching of Buddha. In the worst case, it is the closest one to the words of Buddha. Just as I say, this is just my view.
There are many sarira dhatu can be found after the cremation of the body of for example some great forest monk, we believe it is a sign of accomplishment. However, there are also many amazing sarira dhatu from other Buddhist school of thought or other tradition. So does relic mean something or not? Particularly if we also aware that even some animal also have relics found after their death. Can anyone talk about this?

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Re: Relic

Postby chownah » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:19 am

I think the Buddha never taught anything about relics. If that is true then I think that whatever they are they are unimportant. I have never heard of anything that would indicate that relics are important except for people believing that they are important. If you take away all of the people saying that relics are meaningful then there is nothing to indicate that they are anything significant at all.

.....at least that is how I view relics....if I am wrong about the Buddha's teachings I would be very happy to see a reference and some discussion about that.
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Re: Relic

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Re: Relic

Postby chownah » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:49 am

mikenz66,
Thanks for the post and reference. I don't see that the Buddha mentioned relics at all in the portion you presented....you suggest that he did say something by using the word "mostly"....is it elsewhere?

...and I think that the excerpt you gave does not show any importance for the relics except for that which arises from people thinking that they are important.....I guess.....also notice that the ashes were viewed as being important too.....I'm relatively sure that if the match that was used to ignite the pyre was saved that it would be reverred and considered to be important too.....I guess....but I'm not sure.......

I consider relics to belong in the category of "rites and rituals"....

Thanks again for the reference,
chownah

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Re: Relic

Postby Ben » Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:57 am

Hi all,

I don't think its always productive nor meaningful to attempt to link authenticity to a reference in the Tipitaka. The Theravada is a living tradition and has evolved over time. It is also a living tradition in the sense that the Dhamma, if it is to be meaningful, must be integrated into one's life to the point where its a lived experience.
Personally, I tend to think that there is a place for relics and relic veneration in the Theravada. Relics are merely an object that inspires saddha. And without saddha there can be no panna.
kind regards,

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Postby Ron-The-Elder » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:12 pm

What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: Relic

Postby Ron-The-Elder » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:26 pm

What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Postby Ron-The-Elder » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:59 am

What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.


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