Buddha on a crucifix

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Buddha on a crucifix

Postby Indrajala » Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:24 pm

I was at the Asian Civlizations Museum in Singapore today and found this. It is from the Tokugawa era in Japan when Christianity was outlawed. Someone could covertly worship the cross.


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Re: Buddha on a crucifix

Postby Dronma » Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:09 pm

Very interesting. Thank you for sharing, Indrajala!
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Re: Buddha on a crucifix

Postby rory » Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:06 am

gives me the creeps, really fascinating though. I've seen icons of Kannon that stood for the Virgin Mary.
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Re: Buddha on a crucifix

Postby oushi » Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:26 am

Gnostics would be proud of it.
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Re: Buddha on a crucifix

Postby plwk » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:13 pm

Ven Indrajala, a 'crucifix' / 'cruci fixus' is technically a cross with a fixed carving of a crucified Christ on it.
The one in the pic looks like a plain cross with a carved image of a Buddha, although I can't see the back side of it...

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Re: Buddha on a crucifix

Postby Indrajala » Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:26 am

Ah, okay.

Basically it is a covert Christian symbol. They would stick it on the wall and people would think they were worshipping the Buddha.

In the Tokugawa period being a Christian was prohibited.
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Re: Buddha on a crucifix

Postby Ramon1920 » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:09 am

I remember seeing a documentary about some mirrors that appeared normal but reflected Christian images before.

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Postby tomamundsen » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:21 am

I don't see much harm in it. Seems like a win-win.

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Postby Grigoris » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:45 am

Or a lose-lose! :tongue:
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Re: Buddha on a crucifix

Postby rory » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:33 am

Sorry the crucifix where Jesus is crucified for your sins , the load of guilt plus you'll never be a christus/a is a billion miles away from a Buddha whom we all can become. Not to mention that Jews (my people) have been discriminated and murdered in Jesus' name for 2 millenia. Buddhism is much more syncretic and prefers to absorb rather than persecute...
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The Tai-ching states "the women in the realms of Mara, Sakra and Brahma all neither abandoned ( their old) bodies nor received (new) bodies. They all received buddhahood with their current bodies (genshin)" Thus these verses state that the dharma nature is like a great ocean. No right or wrong is preached (within it) Ordinary people and sages are equal, without superiority or inferiority
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Re: Buddha on a crucifix

Postby rory » Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:07 am

I was replying to the win-win, idea that it's all okay, good etc...symbols have tremendous power. To a Japanese covert Christian that was a helpful symbol; to me seeing the buddha on a cross is amazingly upsetting.
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The Tai-ching states "the women in the realms of Mara, Sakra and Brahma all neither abandoned ( their old) bodies nor received (new) bodies. They all received buddhahood with their current bodies (genshin)" Thus these verses state that the dharma nature is like a great ocean. No right or wrong is preached (within it) Ordinary people and sages are equal, without superiority or inferiority
Paul, Groner "The Lotus Sutra in Japanese Culture"eds. Tanabe p. 58
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