So you consider the actions of a couple of deperate fundamentalists terrorism, but you do not consider the wanten destruction of whole countries and their populations as terrorism?
Hardly a couple, Greg- it is far more widespread than a couple. But yes, wanton destruction of populations is terrorism. And I will speak out against it. However, that it not what this thread was about, nor the context of this discussion. As I said, if you want me to speak of the faults of the Western presence in certain Islamic countries, non existent WMD, Isreali human rights abuses I am willing to discuss those, in a thread on that topic. I will codemn those atrocities. The topic of this thread is a bomb in an Indonesian Buddhist temple. Is that not also condemnable?
Let's put things in perspective: number of innocent people killed in terrorist attacks on Buddhist temples in India and Indonesia by Muslim fundamentalists (zero) vs number of innocent people killed by terrorist attacks by Buddhists in Burma (official toll as reported by Burmese regime 78 dead and over 100,000 forced to flee their homes and currently living in refugee camps).
Do you honestly think is this continues no one will be killed? How many people have been killed due to Islamic fundamentalism in the Muslim world itself? Ethnic tensions between Shia and Sunni fundamentalists? Christians? Homosexuals? Islamic fundamentalism has led to many deaths.
Incarceration rates??? The US tops the list with 716 per 100,000 citizens. The first Muslim country (Azerbaijan) comes in at position number 14 with 413 per 100,000 and the next Muslim country is Kazakstan at position 36 with 295 per 100,000.
The US prison system is a sad state of affairs, as is their incarceration rate and disproportionate number minorities in prison who serve longer sentences than their white counterparts.
However, perhaps the lower incarceration rates of Muslim countries will not seem like such a cause for commendation if we take into account, for example, that in Saudi Arabia the following crimes are capital offences http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_pu ... udi_Arabia
Hudud: Fixed Quranic punishments for specific crimes. Hudud crimes which can result in the death penalty include apostasy, adultery, and sodomy.
Sometimes execution is carried out using stoning. Sodomy is a capital offence in Iran and other Muslim countries as well.
I mention politically correct because the same LGBT rights supporters who pillory Christian fundamentalists in the US for not supporting same-sex marriage remain strangely silent on the issue of homosexuality being a capital offense in several Muslim countries, and refuse to critique the Islamic scriptural edicts behind these laws.
Want to take refuge in the triple gem in such countries? Too bad- if you are born Muslim such an act is considered apostasy and you could be executed. Even in progressive Muslim countries like Malaysia conversion is not permitted and would result in a jail term.
Terrible as the USA may be in many ways, I have never heard of adultresses being stoned, converts from Christianity being put in prison, or hanging punishment for sodomy.
And what of the destruction by occupying forces of places of worship and the danger to the practitioners of Islam? Or is that too politically correct?
Terrible, but none of those occupying forces would make a theological argument in favour of such atrocities. If such destruction is deliberate that is disgusting and I would call on the person in charge to appear before a human rights tribunal.
However, many of the mosques destroyed in these countries are also due to the Sunni/Shia conflict within Islam. This conflict has reached boiling point in Iraq for example.
India has several mosques stone's throw away from the Bodh Gaya stupa and several important Hindu shrines (despite the history of Muslim conquerors building mosques directly on top of destroyed temples). Would the Islam allow us to construct a temple in the cities of Mecca or Medina? Why not? One cannot understand this conflict simply from a geopolitical or anti-oppression framework. There is a definite theological element here.
In order to ensure my mind never comes under the power of the self-cherishing attitude,
I must obtain control over my own mind.
Therefore, amongst all empowerments, the empowerment that gives me control over my mind is the best,
and I have received the most profound empowerment with this teaching.
brtsal ba'i bkhra drin