Emptiness and Nothingness

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Emptiness and Nothingness

Postby Grigoris » Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:07 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: I Don't Know What I'm Doing Here

Postby In the bone yard » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:01 pm

Nihilists?
Why is middle way so bad?

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Re: I Don't Know What I'm Doing Here

Postby Grigoris » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:41 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: I Don't Know What I'm Doing Here

Postby shel » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:27 am

Emptiness, Mr. gregkavarnos, emptiness. You do know what that is I trust. Even if you believe it's all theoretical. :tongue:

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Re: I Don't Know What I'm Doing Here

Postby Adamantine » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:55 am

Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha

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Re: I Don't Know What I'm Doing Here

Postby Adamantine » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:54 am

Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
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Re: I Don't Know What I'm Doing Here

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Re: Emptiness and Nothingness

Postby lawrence » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:43 am

It seems reasonable to say that "nothingness is at least a concept.
Emptiness in Buddhist terms on the other hand (right or left your choice) refers to the fact that nothing is existent on it's own , you can't break something down to a final something that is a unique "it". Reality tho is all around us. No?
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Re: I Don't Know What I'm Doing Here

Postby kirtu » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:03 am



"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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Re: Emptiness and Nothingness

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:21 am

Since emptiness describes..well..everything, it's closer to everything than nothing, lol.

IIRC correctly Lankavatara says something like "things are nothing but a concatenation", that does not describe nothingness, only lack of independent existence.
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Re: I Don't Know What I'm Doing Here

Postby Punya » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:38 am

Just as the trunk of an ordinary tree
Lying in the forests of the Malaya mountains
Absorbs the perfume of sandal from the moist leaves and branches
So you come to resemble who whomever you follow.

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Re: I Don't Know What I'm Doing Here

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Re: I Don't Know What I'm Doing Here

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Re: Emptiness and Nothingness

Postby oushi » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:32 pm

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Re: Emptiness and Nothingness

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:53 pm

I've never liked the term No-thingness because it seemingly implies a lack of things, and emptiness isn't lack or abundance, multiplicity or singularity of stuff, its just the mode of how things are. Then again, the term emptiness seems to get misinterpreted as some sort of nihilistic lack of existence by many non-Buddhists, and perhaps even some Buddhists. So..words fail.
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Re: Emptiness and Nothingness

Postby shel » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:43 pm

Emptiness does mean the lack of an abiding self. Nihilism is about lack of meaning, quite different.


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