To undertake and proceed to train oneself in the essence of
ethics endowed with these four qualities, should be understood as "wholesome,"
because of benefit for oneself, benefit for others, benefit for
many people, pleasure for many people, mercy for the world, and welfare,
benefit, and pleasure for divine and human beings. Because "measureless"
comprehends the bodhisattva bases of training, they should
be understood as "immeasurable. " Because they are lived for the benefit
and pleasure of all sentient beings, they should be understood to be
"favorable to all sentient beings." Because they acquire and bestow the
result of supreme, right and full awakening, they should be understood
to be "a great result and advantage."
So you are saying that Dzongsar Khyentse is a conspirator of Mara? Coz it seems to me he is not argiung against morality but against using morality as yet another prop for the ego.Ramon1920 wrote:It is no coincidence that people pick out of context teachings, out of millions of Buddhist teachings, that challenge the parts of the teachings that keep the afflictions in line.
It's a conspiracy, and the mental afflictions are the conspirators.
"Let's undermine vows, let's undermine the Buddha's credibility, let's undermine the attainments, let's undermine renunciation of samsara, let's undermine bodhicitta, let's undermine meditation, let's undermine wisdom realizing emptiness. We'll gradually tear down these things so they won't realize they don't have to do what we say and they can get rid of us forever. Instead we'll bring them to teachers that will convince them there is nothing they can do, it's already been done, or even that the methods like vows and concentration lead to harm and make them suffer!"
Punya wrote:"The value of a practitioner will be judged by who is morally right and good. And this is very dangerous... Someone may be very good with the morality but they may have no compassion. They may have no understanding of the truth... The morality sort of becomes a pillar for our pride and arrogance so the whole purpose of the morality is defeated... the wish and practice to enlighten all the sentient beings. " (25.30 on)
gregkavarnos wrote:So you are saying that Dzongsar Khyentse is a conspirator of Mara? Coz it seems to me he is not argiung against morality but against using morality as yet another prop for the ego.
Ramon1920 wrote:Unless Dzongsar Khyentse is Punya...
Ramon1920 wrote: The afflictions give special attention to anything that can be used to wear down resolves they don't like. So Dzongsar probably has been teaching for a while and has said thousands of things, but this one quote is getting lots of attention.... The idea of the afflictions is this, "lets ignore everything else the teacher said about keeping our vows and focus on the single time he said vows aren't the most important thing so we can disregard them".
Ramon1920 wrote: I don't like talking about individual teachers unless I am familiar with them or their students. Let's talking about the the Buddha if we're going to talk about individual teachers.
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