5heaps wrote:oh i see. by mental activity i just mean mind (consciousness), which is what the eye consciousness is. it too has appearances but we cant say that they are thoughts, since they are colours and shapes and colours and shapes are not thoughtsheart wrote:I never said that the eye consciousness have thoughts. It is non-conceptual in fact. However you said "appearances are mental activity" so obviously the appearances are a creation of the mind and that means thoughts.
my point is that appearances of form, which is to say internal colours and shapes, are different to actual form which is external.
if we are mindonly-leaning and dont accept external objects, we still cant say that that nonexternal form is the same as the appearance of nonexternal form
therefore we can say every buddhist system is negating a false appearance pertaining to actual objects, not a false appearance pertaining to just appearances of objects.
To my understanding the eye-consciousness is non-conceptual like the other consciousnesses of the five senses , it is this consciousness that present the colors and forms and so on to the mind-consciousness. The mind-consciousness is thoughts, nothing else. Thoughts are pretty "visual" which you will notice when you meditate. So appearances, if defined as the inner thought image of the outer "real" object like you do, is only thoughts.
For me appearances is the both the inner and outer object since they are both equally empty.