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Question about sensations

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venkatad
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Question about sensations

Postby venkatad » Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:46 pm

Are all sensations(pain/pleasure/pressure/numbness etc) Sankaras?? I don't think so...
If I am observing pain on my leg it could be sankhara..but not every time. I think irrespective of sankara or not we have to keep observe. If it is a sankahara it will take out deep rooted mental impurity,if not sankara it helps in developing equanimity.....Am I right?

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Re: Question about sensations

Postby legolas » Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:07 pm

I dont know. I tried to find some reference to "observing sankara's, being a means to eradicate deep rooted mental impurities", within the suttas but I could'nt find any.

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Re: Question about sensations

Postby Ben » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:44 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Question about sensations

Postby Goofaholix » Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:35 am

One thing I've often wondered about. Goenka uses the term sankhara a lot in his dhamma talks but the way he refers to it the meaning corresponds more like the meaning, and common usage, of the word kilesa. Is there a reason for this?

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Re: Question about sensations

Postby Ben » Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:16 am

Hi Goof
Part of it is that the ten-day course discourses are aimed at a particular western newbie audience and I think there is a slight variation of interpretation that maybe unique to the tradition from which he is from. He is much more precise with his use of terminology in the courses for old students.
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Question about sensations

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Re: Question about sensations

Postby Ben » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:53 am

Indeed!
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Question about sensations

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Re: Question about sensations

Postby Ben » Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:51 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Question about sensations

Postby withing » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:07 pm

Wow I have a lot to learn. :juggling:

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Re: Question about sensations

Postby pilgrim » Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:13 pm

When Goenka asks students to observe vedana , he is referring to physical vedana only ( that is pleasant/unpleasant sensations on the body). Does he recognise that vedana could also refer to mental vedana and is a student also suppose to observe this?

Does phasso always result in a physical vedana ( my understanding is he teaches this) ?

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Re: Question about sensations

Postby bodom » Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:31 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Re: Question about sensations

Postby farmer » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:43 pm

Here is a nice piece by Ven. Bodhi on the ways the word "sankhara" functions in the canon.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... ay_43.html

Is it my imagination, or does Goenka use the word in a somewhat idiosyncratic way?

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Re: Question about sensations

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:17 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Question about sensations

Postby pilgrim » Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:51 pm

So how do I apply this experience in real life? When I face a situation, am I supposed to look for a corresponding sensation somewhere on my body? That doesn't seem practical.

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Re: Question about sensations

Postby Ben » Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:56 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Question about sensations

Postby Ben » Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:13 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Question about sensations

Postby Manachi » Sun May 06, 2012 11:37 am

Hi all,

I just returned from my first 10 day Vipassana course (of SN Goenka). One aspect that confused me was the way in which the term "Sankhara" was used.

#1 I had previously always understood the word Sankhara to basically mean any mental formation or mental construct.

#2 But the way it is used in Goenka's teachings is quite different. He refers to a Sankhara is a 'reaction' and that any Sankhara generated is effectively a 'credit or debit' to the individual, according to whether the action is good or bad. Basically he teaches that you want to try and remove "all the stack of Sankharas" that are accumulated. I had never ever heard the term being used like this, and in fact it didn't sound quite right to me. The entire goal of his teaching is effectively to "reduce the stack of sankharas".

If you consider the phrase 'Annica Vata Sankhara" this makes sense with the definition #1 (("Impermanent, alas, are all formations") but not so much with #2. If "Sankharas" are impermanent (which they clearly are), why would you have a stack of them that you have to actively remove?

This causes great confusion to me and a little bit of concern. As I'm sure you can tell I'm still a beginner, but I was hoping someone could please help clarify? It would be much appreciated.


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