All religious faiths are attachments.

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All religious faiths are attachments.

Postby Bothi » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:33 pm

Howdy,

In reality, all religious faiths are attachments, therefore according to 4NT all religions must be causes of sufferings.

What is your opinion on this issue ?

With respect all,

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Re: All religious faiths are attachments.

Postby David N. Snyder » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:25 pm

Not at all. Haven't you heard of the simile of The Raft?

The raft carries one to the other shore. Once there you don't need to carry the raft around with you wherever you go. But since we are still on this side, the Raft can be useful.
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Re: All religious faiths are attachments.

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Re: All religious faiths are attachments.

Postby reflection » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:21 am

Don't agree.

Identification with faiths may lead to attachments, yes, but having faiths is not an attachment. Also, one could also argue whether Buddhism is a religion. Depends on your defenition of a religion, and your own practice, of course. I personally would say it is not.
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Re: All religious faiths are attachments.

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:30 am

A wanderer once approached the Blessed One and stated his view, “All is displeasing to me.”

The Buddha replied, “Is this view of yours, 'All is displeasing to me,' also displeasing to you?”

Not all desires are unwholesome, and the fervent wish to achieve the end of craving is not something to be abandoned until the goal is attained.

However, it is true that attachment to views causes suffering — even attachment to right views.
• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: All religious faiths are attachments.

Postby thaijeppe » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:49 am

Of course you can call faith attachment, but then there are positive and negative attachment.
If we talk about Buddhism , when you start to study and practice, you need to have faith in what The Buddha taught,
because you can not be certain from the beginning.
During your practice you will then change your faith to knowledge, when you experince for yourself that what The Buddha taught is correct,
and in the end you can let go of your attachment (faith), because you have experinced it all for yourself.
If we look at the N8P the first truth is Right view, you can not start your practice with Right view, because you simply don't know, but in the beginning
Right view is simply Faith.

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If you let go a little, you will have a little peace. If you
let go a lot, you will have a lot of peace. If you let go completely,
you will know complete peace and freedom.
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Re: All religious faiths are attachments.

Postby acinteyyo » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:46 am

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: All religious faiths are attachments.

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Re: All religious faiths are attachments.

Postby reflection » Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:54 pm

Sorry, I would like to discuss, but don't understand what you are trying to say.

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Re: All religious faiths are attachments.

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Re: All religious faiths are attachments.

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Re: All religious faiths are attachments.

Postby santa100 » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:29 am

Bothi wrote:
"Tools can be used only for materials...We are talking about not materials...That is if everything is impermanent , Buddhism has to be impermanent also,so same applies to nibbana..."

For the phrase "everything is impermanent", make sure to understand the scope of the term "everything". It means "every conditioned phenomena". Nibbana is un-conditioned, it's total unbinding, thus it does not fall under the scope of those that are subjected to impermanence.

"If nothing is permanent, then who is gonna be in nibbana? If there is no essence, who is gonna be at the raft or in nibbana?"

Again, everything should be clear once you clearly see the scope of the word "nothing".

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Re: All religious faiths are attachments.

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Re: All religious faiths are attachments.

Postby santa100 » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:59 pm

Bothi wrote:
"Nibbana is empty, people are empty, so they are all the same, conditioned or unconditioned, these do not make any difference, İf all are empty, that means all are same...
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At least on the conventional level, this doesn't make much sense, because it'd mean that everyone have already been enlightened and thus there's no need for training or practice..

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Re: All religious faiths are attachments.

Postby Dan74 » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:03 am

That's right. Emptiness is powerful medicine and if misused becomes poison.

First there is form and we have to learn to deal with it, don't we?

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Re: All religious faiths are attachments.

Postby Spiny Norman » Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:39 pm

"My religion is very simple - my religion is ice-cream."
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