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Bhikkhu Bodhi Equivocating on Sīla?

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Postby danieLion » Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:23 am

To clarify:
Out of all the moral compasses I've tried, the Buddha's is the most practical and often does provide clear-cut direction. That's why I brought this up. It's the first time I'd heard Ven. Bodhi engage in situational ethical discussion. He always struck me as a staunch sila moralist. Again, sila is very valuable and the more I use it the more conviction I have in the Dhamma and the Buddha's presentation of it.
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:goodpost:
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I think Tilt was being sarcastic...
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Postby nameless » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:30 pm

I think, as someone has pointed out, we need to think about the purpose of sila, some examples of which can be found .

The way that a lot of us think about morality is the way that is conditioned into us through various ways: you are a bad religious follower/child/student/part of society (and hence 'immoral')if you don't follow such and such rules. But from the above page, I think that the Buddhist view of sila is quite different.

There were some comments about a "moral compass" and "moral conviction". I think one has to be careful about such ideas, in the sense that one needs to examine one's motivations for desiring such things. How much of the desire is for something to guide you in difficult moral situations, so that you don't need to make the difficult decisions yourself? Instead of thinking through the consequences and implications carefully, it is comparatively easy to just make a decision "because the suttas/monks/Buddha/people on the Internet say so".

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If we take the 4th precept: "I undertake the training rule to abstain from false speech", and apply it toward the Nazis scenario, would an answer like: "Sure, my Jewish friends are in my home basement right now" considered to be a "true speech" or a "false speech"?? Is being "factual" the one and only criteria that defines whether a speech is true or false in this case?

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Postby Dan74 » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:42 am

Well you see, the arahat would be able to blast the Nazis with his mind beam, so no need for telling untruth.

Wait, no harming Nazis is allowed, blast!

Correction, she will blast them with her compassionate mind beam and they will leave the Jews alone.

Well, that was useful wasn't it. 30 seconds of your life you are not getting back...
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