Red Chenrezig (Munsel Dronme)

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Red Chenrezig (Munsel Dronme)

Postby Pero » Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:51 am

Does anyone know this practice and can tell me something about it?

Because it seems Ganteng Tulku Rinpoche will give empowerment for this here in December.
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Re: Red Chenrezig (Munsel Dronme)

Postby heart » Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:08 am

Pero wrote:Does anyone know this practice and can tell me something about it?

Because it seems Ganteng Tulku Rinpoche will give empowerment for this here in December.


You can buy the text here http://www.yeshekhorlo.org/node/188

and the picture here

http://www.yeshekhorlo.org/node/189

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Re: Red Chenrezig (Munsel Dronme)

Postby Pero » Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:03 pm

Thanks Magnus but I already found those before. :smile:
There isn't any details about the practice. Somewhere I found that it involves generating oneself as the deity and also visualizing the deity outside of oneself but that's all. And I can't buy the text since I don't have the empowerment.
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Re: Red Chenrezig (Munsel Dronme)

Postby narraboth » Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:26 pm

Pero wrote:Thanks Magnus but I already found those before. :smile:
There isn't any details about the practice. Somewhere I found that it involves generating oneself as the deity and also visualizing the deity outside of oneself but that's all. And I can't buy the text since I don't have the empowerment.


Padma Lingpa's terma. It's in Rinchen Terdzo vol.23 (Dege version) and has a comparatively short text among all Avalokesrivara texts in Rinchen terdzo.

Generating self and front deities is not rare. Usually you need to generate both when doing longer practice text. In shorter text it's sometimes skipped but it can be either 1. you don't need to generate front mandala or 2. you need to, just the author felt that you should have known it. Depends on what text you are doing.
It's mentioned in Nyingma generation stage teachings. There are several books available.
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Re: Red Chenrezig (Munsel Dronme)

Postby Pero » Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:41 pm

narraboth wrote:
Pero wrote:Thanks Magnus but I already found those before. :smile:
There isn't any details about the practice. Somewhere I found that it involves generating oneself as the deity and also visualizing the deity outside of oneself but that's all. And I can't buy the text since I don't have the empowerment.


Padma Lingpa's terma. It's in Rinchen Terdzo vol.23 (Dege version) and has a comparatively short text among all Avalokesrivara texts in Rinchen terdzo.


Is it Anuyoga or Mahayoga? Or Yogatantra? And are there any particular samayas with it?
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Re: Red Chenrezig (Munsel Dronme)

Postby narraboth » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:02 pm

Pero wrote:
narraboth wrote:
Pero wrote:Thanks Magnus but I already found those before. :smile:
There isn't any details about the practice. Somewhere I found that it involves generating oneself as the deity and also visualizing the deity outside of oneself but that's all. And I can't buy the text since I don't have the empowerment.


Padma Lingpa's terma. It's in Rinchen Terdzo vol.23 (Dege version) and has a comparatively short text among all Avalokesrivara texts in Rinchen terdzo.


Is it Anuyoga or Mahayoga? Or Yogatantra? And are there any particular samayas with it?


it's in mahayoga chapter.
not sure about samaya, probably just normal samaya.
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Re: Red Chenrezig (Munsel Dronme)

Postby Pero » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:06 pm

narraboth wrote:it's in mahayoga chapter.
not sure about samaya, probably just normal samaya.


I see. I'll probably go. Thanks Narraboth.
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Re: Red Chenrezig (Munsel Dronme)

Postby Yontan » Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:43 am

Rinpoche gave this empowerment in CO this past spring. There were no particular samayas associated with it.
Pema Lingpa's main terma are divided into three sections: Chenrezig, Lama and Dzogchen. The Munsel Dronme is the main empowerment for the Chenrezig cycle. If you have a connection with Gangteng Tulku and the Peling lineage, it would be a great blessing if nothing else. It is also a beautiful, short sadhana if you have an interest in practicing Chenrezig.
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Re: Red Chenrezig (Munsel Dronme)

Postby Pero » Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:29 pm

Yontan wrote:Rinpoche gave this empowerment in CO this past spring. There were no particular samayas associated with it.
Pema Lingpa's main terma are divided into three sections: Chenrezig, Lama and Dzogchen. The Munsel Dronme is the main empowerment for the Chenrezig cycle. If you have a connection with Gangteng Tulku and the Peling lineage, it would be a great blessing if nothing else. It is also a beautiful, short sadhana if you have an interest in practicing Chenrezig.


Thanks. I have already registered for it.
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Re: Red Chenrezig (Munsel Dronme)

Postby Pero » Fri Dec 10, 2010 6:53 pm

So the initiation was yesterday. All together with the explanation of the practice it took about 5 hours. It's a wonderful practice. Also to my surprise, Gangteng Tulku Rinpoche said that this practice belongs to the 11th yana - Dzogchen Yangti. What are the 9th and 10th yanas considered to be then, does anyone know? I heard a classification like this before but can't remember.

Yontan wrote:Rinpoche gave this empowerment in CO this past spring. There were no particular samayas associated with it.


Just a small correction, there was one particular samaya. :smile:
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Re: Red Chenrezig (Munsel Dronme)

Postby mutsuk » Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:01 am

Pero wrote:What are the 9th and 10th yanas considered to be then, does anyone know? I heard a classification like this before but can't remember.


It's because you don't read french! :woohoo: Just kidding...

Orgyen Lingpa has given two lists of 12 vehicles (theg ba bcu gnyis). In the case of the second list, the 9th Yana is Ati, the 10th is Chiti (sPyi-ti) and the 11th is Yangti. In case you wonder what the 12th is, it's the Tachen (mTha' chen). Such classifications have survived even in the Chogyur Lingpa termas.
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Re: Red Chenrezig (Munsel Dronme)

Postby Pero » Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:39 am

mutsuk wrote:It's because you don't read french! :woohoo: Just kidding...


:D

Orgyen Lingpa has given two lists of 12 vehicles (theg ba bcu gnyis). In the case of the second list, the 9th Yana is Ati, the 10th is Chiti (sPyi-ti) and the 11th is Yangti. In case you wonder what the 12th is, it's the Tachen (mTha' chen). Such classifications have survived even in the Chogyur Lingpa termas.


Could you describe a little what the differences are between them? Particularly Tachen, I don't think I ever heard of it before.
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