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The Secular Buddhist

A discussion on all aspects of Theravāda Buddhism
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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Buckwheat » Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:47 pm

Nowheat,
I misunderstood several of your earlier comments assigning uncertainty to rebirth. I thought you were talking about kamma. As long as your cool with kamma being central and real, then I can respect your position. I don't really care about rebith that much from a doctrinal perspective. It is very important for me personally, but I see suttas that say if you believe rebirth or not, the middle way is still applicable.

The only significant critique I would still have about your earlier posts is well beyond my knowledge: your analysis of the distortions caused by history (which I think you overemphasize IMHO) and your method of seeing through those distortions. I worry that you emphasize distortions so that you can insert your own philosophy. However, this is all well beyond my capabilities to argue one way or the other.

OK - another question: do Secular Buddhists (collectively or individually) tend to believe in powers such as the ability to read minds?
Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:06 pm

Believing is pointless when that which is believed is untrue. Even more when it is true.
That is not an attempt to sound " Zenny"...its just a fact.
Buddhadhamma and belief systems are incompatible.
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Dan74 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:51 pm

Sorry to step in late with my 2c worth, folks.

To me the value of Batchelor & Co is that they refocus the attention on the nitty-gritty of practice.

The trouble with them (IMO) is that what they strip away can be very valuable for practice too. Faith, beliefs in rebirth, veneration of the Buddha have and continue to inspire and motivate many practitioners around the world.

And to me, this is a good thing.

As an aside. Anecdote: Batchelor was with my teacher at the temple in Korea (well not in the same living quarters obviously but not completely segregated). FWIW she says that while she disagrees with him on many points, he is a very decent and kind man.
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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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If you let go a little, you will have a little peace. If you
let go a lot, you will have a lot of peace. If you let go completely,
you will know complete peace and freedom.
Ajahn Chah

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If you let go a little, you will have a little peace. If you
let go a lot, you will have a lot of peace. If you let go completely,
you will know complete peace and freedom.
Ajahn Chah

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