Mystical Unity and Kensho

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Re: Mystical Unity and Kensho

Postby Astus » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:26 am

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Mystical Unity and Kensho

Postby Astus » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:23 am

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Mystical Unity and Kensho

Postby White Lotus » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:01 pm

no need to be a horse, racing along attaining level after level stage after stage. being a donkey will do just fine. "donkeys and horses pass over the stone bridge of Chao Chu". this ordinary mind is all you will ever have regardless of whether or not you see a self. mind is all we are left with. then again abiding in mind is not helpful. to abide in mind is to tether a donkey to a pole for eternity. just live, just breathe, just be, just act, just do.

there are those who say that kensho (seeing nature) is not mystical. i disagree. it is. however enlightenment is not mystical. even a donkey has it. ordinary mind is it. ordinary life is the way. attainments are unnecessary. your mind already has all the merits of a budda just as it is. to abide in this knowledge is to abide in enlightenment, however just to forget enlightenment is best. eat when hungry, sleep when tired.

you already know it, you always have. do you see? do you hear? do you know? yes to all these points. you taste water, its just water. this is buddha mind.

to let go of Mind is to forget enlightenment. just be a donkey, Master donkey. ''the mind seal of chao chu is found in the area of a yaks tail.''

best wishes, Tom.
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Re: Mystical Unity and Kensho

Postby Astus » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:54 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Mystical Unity and Kensho

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Re: Mystical Unity and Kensho

Postby Astus » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:28 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Mystical Unity and Kensho

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Re: Mystical Unity and Kensho

Postby desertman001 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:09 am

In dependent arising the first condition is ignorance, followed by mental formations then consciousness then mind and matter. This is all before the senses and before birth. So what is it that is being ignorant? Does this imply a mind prior to form? Is the condition prior to mental formation emptiness?

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Re: Mystical Unity and Kensho

Postby LastLegend » Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:43 am

NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Mystical Unity and Kensho

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Re: Mystical Unity and Kensho

Postby Astus » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:34 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Mystical Unity and Kensho

Postby desertman001 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:01 am

Astus, ok thanks I didn't know that.

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Re: Mystical Unity and Kensho

Postby White Lotus » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:11 pm

yes... deceptively simple, but still contrived still complex. actually it is undefinable, not even breathing or living. to attach to breath or any explanation misses it. one should abide nowhere at all. not even in Mind. no post to hang onto. there are various teachings, but at the end of the day the teaching is just the teaching. nothing more, nothing less and zen is just zen. o wisdom, gone gone gone to the further shore, arrived at the further shore: this is the summary of the prajnaparamita in 100,000 verses. the donkey triumphs even over the dragon. there is a zen saying: ''when the donkey arrives, the horse is already in the stable.''

best wishes, Tom.
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

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Re: Mystical Unity and Kensho

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Re: Mystical Unity and Kensho

Postby desertman001 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:35 am

Thanks koji.

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Re: Mystical Unity and Kensho

Postby desertman001 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:23 am

Astus, when I said "at its core" back on page one, I have to say the experience of recognizing Mind as having unconditioned nature is also why I called it a "core". This insight passes but it can take a portion of the self concept with it and leaves with you a permanent( if practice continues) effect. It also also allows you recognize true nature just by returning to the moment because "this mind is Buddha". Whether it is halucunation or recognizing true nature it is both an experience and a continuing recognition when in the moment. So to your question "How can a sense of unity with every being or the entire world make a difference in our attachment to thoughts and emotions? " I would say if the Kensho rises to a certain level it creates a new view, less bound by self identification and able recognize nature as unconditioned .

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Re: Mystical Unity and Kensho

Postby Astus » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:08 am

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Mystical Unity and Kensho

Postby Wayfarer » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:37 am

And the fact that 'everything is conditioned' is the reason why kensho is mystical. It is mystical, because it is an insight into something that doesn't exist. Why? Because if it existed, it would be conditioned. So what is un-conditioned is also not existent.
In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities; in the expert's mind there are few ~ Suzuki-roshi


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