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Attachments might lead us to discover new truths

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Attachments might lead us to discover new truths

Postby Bothi » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:39 pm

Howdy,

I have a simple question here. According to 4NT attachments are the cause of suffering. But do you really think that this is completely correct? Because we all know that there are many discoveries as light bulp of Thomas Edison, and airplanes and many others that these sort of things are the result of strong attachments...So attachments sometimes lead us to discover many valuable truths...

Thanking you in advance.

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Postby Modus.Ponens » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:25 pm

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Postby David N. Snyder » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:41 pm

New discoveries and seeking improvements for the human race, etc. are not contrary to the 4NT.

Tanhā = 'thirst': 'craving', is the chief root of suffering; unwholesome desire.

Chanda = intention, will, zeal; wholesome desire

Trying to find a cure for AIDS, etc. would be chandha, no contradiction with the 4NT.
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Postby Bothi » Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:42 pm

If pain, a physical pain is not suffering, what do you call it?

Lets be mindful, if anything hurting,that is suffering. So pain is suffering but, the cause a tooth ache (suffering) is not attachment as stated in 4NT...

This is substantial and natural truth, no one can cover up a natural truth!

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Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:23 am

Ignorance exists, suffering, neutral, and joy is unavoidable.

No ignorance, everything is just a phenomena as what it is without the experiencer, naked and bare, not suffering nor joy nor even neutral.
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Postby retrofuturist » Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:25 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Attachments might lead us to discover new truths

Postby Lazy_eye » Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:47 am

Dukkha includes encountering that which isn't desirable -- wouldn't physical pain fall into that category?

I would think some meditators are able to note physically painful sensations without aversion. Even beginners can learn to do this with moderately uncomfortable or irritating sensations, such as an itch.

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Postby retrofuturist » Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:52 am

Greetings Lazy_eye,

Kirk5a and Daverupa do a good job of representing the conflicting perspectives here...

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=11574&start=40#p176132

I agree that physical pain needn't be experienced as dukkha.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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