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The Secular Buddhist

A discussion on all aspects of Theravāda Buddhism
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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby rowboat » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:06 pm

Rain soddens what is covered up,
It does not sodden what is open.
Therefore uncover what is covered
That the rain will not sodden it.
Ud 5.5

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Buckwheat » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:58 am

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Buckwheat » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:28 pm

Nowheat,
I respect the amount of thought you have put into this but it seems like you are way out on a logical limb. I will try to limit my response for now to my most important point.

Right view of karma does not need to be "reliquished" in order to have right view of the noble truths. Karma aligns our desires with harmlessness and goodwill and takes us very far on the path. 4NT does not negate this. It says to drop, not the framework of Karma, but the desire for good karma and its results (the "fleeting" pleasures of a beneficial rebirth.) There is no conflict between these forms of right view. Spermundane builds on mundane, and only 4NT is precise enough to actually eliminate suffering. This much seems clear even from an atheistic perspective where one sees karma clearly within this lifetime while rejecting rebirth. Where the Buddha "qualifies" his statements to accomodate those the reject rebirth he never ever allows for rejecting karma, the reality of intentional actions and their consequences/rewards.

Every other time the Buddha mentions right or wrong view he is mentioning something that is either skillful or not, within the framework of karma / 4NT.

As you seem quite learned even if quick to reject convention, I think this will give you enough to resond to for now even though I am tempted to respond to some of your other points.
Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Sanghamitta » Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:32 pm

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

Bhikku Bodhi.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby danieLion » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:49 am

I thought Secular Buddhism was something Stephen Batchelor made up?
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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:25 am

I think whatever label we apply to ourselves, secular, traditional, it is vital to support each others efforts.
Not to make anyone feel that they are excluded if they feel unable to sign a particular pledge of allegiance.
:anjali:
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Kim OHara » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:51 am

:goodpost:
Agreed - especially as each of us (as I said before) superimposes her/her own personal variation on whichever school or approach they may most closely identify with.
Think of us as leaves on a tree - we are all different and some of us are on different branches from others, but we are all still attached to the one tree and nourished by it.

:namaste:
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