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Is it ethical to work with the Buddhist Association ofChina?

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Re: Is it ethical to work with the Buddhist Association ofCh

Postby Indrajala » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:56 pm

Good question.

As an outsider and foreigner you'll probably never have enough influence and power to direct things, so participation would be on their terms, not yours. Actually the conventions of such an organizations would likely disenfranchise all but the most cooperative foreigners, but even then let's be realistic how likely is that?

However, to participate might actually enable worthwhile projects to be undertaken that might otherwise prove infeasible, which in turn benefit many people. In the PRC you simply have no choice but to cooperate with the authorities, otherwise you go nowhere or are shut down prematurely.
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Re: Is it ethical to work with the Buddhist Association ofCh

Postby Ramon1920 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:32 pm

:coffee: At least it's not Sharia law.

There are times when Buddhism must be practiced in secret. You can play by the rules of some ridiculous regime and keep the prohibited stuff hidden until things are resolved or lost.

If you were really serious about it you could plant people in BAC to set things right. Never mind you're a Westerner, if you get together enough money you can do it. Political boundaries mean little when you have money. You could start a fund raiser in the USA, find a sympathetic person that is close to the ruling party. Deliberately introduce them to the people you want to protect and build strong ties between them. Then pay people in china to character assassinate the current BAC authorities in the eyes of the ruling party and at the same time offer some deals or arrangements to make your sympathetic person the prime candidate replacement.

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Re: Is it ethical to work with the Buddhist Association ofCh

Postby JKhedrup » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:22 pm

Such a coup would require an immense amount of money I think :tongue:

The BAC's function is to make Buddhism non-offensive to the Communist Party of China establishment. They can also use monks and nuns as political tools, for example the shameful behaviour last year when they recalled their entire monastic delegation from an important conference in Korea because Samdhong Rinpoche was speaking on a Buddhist (non-political) topic.

I actually think the BAC prevents the flourishing of Buddhism rather than aiding. We see many regimes in Chinese history that were on the surface friendly to Buddhism but as soon as they saw it become a real force for the loyalty of the people crushed it without so much thought.

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Re: Is it ethical to work with the Buddhist Association ofCh

Postby Monsoon » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:01 pm

When someone can offer an analysis that is unbiased (or as objective as possible) then we can move forward. I am not seeing this in this thread. As this is (one would assume) a pro-Buddhist forum then all argument about the position of Buddhism in China is biased. What I would like is for some of the wiser heads on here to have a serious and concerted attempt to think about the situation from the Chinese side of the fence, to try to understand the reason for the current and historical position that China (as a government) has taken with respect to Buddhism. Until then all I am hearing is 'our way is better than theirs'.
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Postby Ramon1920 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:16 am

Perhaps you young people have heard about the Thai government having a similar operation. They got monks to teach a version of Buddhism where enlightenment and jhana wasn't possible in this era so people would focus on materialistic endeavors instead of renunciation. It was an attempt to improve the Thai economy. This is actually how the forest traditions came to garner so much respect, they reacted to the government's modulating the sangha. In the end the gov control inadvertently squeezed out a group of people that revitalized Buddhism.

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Re: Is it ethical to work with the Buddhist Association ofCh

Postby Huifeng » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:21 am

Is it ethical to boycott the Buddhist Association of China simply because of the political leadership under which they find themselves (which they themselves did not choose)?

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Re: Is it ethical to work with the Buddhist Association ofCh

Postby Monsoon » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:34 am

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Re: Is it ethical to work with the Buddhist Association ofCh

Postby JKhedrup » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:30 pm

Not evangelism but the people in the PRC deserve better than a Buddhism that is manipulated for political expediency.

For a long time I too believed the myth that appeasement of the Communist Party was the best way to ensure progress towards more freedom in China, convinced that economic growth would lead to great improvement. I am no longer convinced that this silence and politeness is the way to go in order to change things, for Buddhism, the Chinese people, the Tibetan people or anyone else.

The house arrests of the famous blind activist Chen Guangcheng, the Tibet writer Woeser, the shooting of several Tibetans simply for celebrating the birthday of HH Dalai Lama just last week- it is simply too much for me to bear. The Chinese people themselves deserve a better system. And as we saw with oppressive regimes in Sri Lanka, Eastern Europe, Myanmar etc. international pressure, economic sanctions and so forth do actually work to change things.

If strong pressure leads to the dismantling of the BAC in favour of a non-political organization that truly has the interests of the dharma at heart, the next generation of Chinese Buddhist will be thanking those who helped.

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Postby Indrajala » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:52 am

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Re: Is it ethical to work with the Buddhist Association ofCh

Postby Zhen Li » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:38 am

If you can bring more exposure of Buddhism, even if it has some politically altered guise, I don't think it can be detrimental. Allowing people to come into contact with the Dharma, in even small forms, allows them to build up affinities and merits with relation to the Dharma.

Also, we should not lose faith that there are in fact CPC officials who are privately Buddhists, and have expressed their Buddhist faith to visiting monastics in private - it happens quite frequently according to rumour. It doesn't take a coup, and in fact, it may take decades, but China will have to gradually open to Buddhism because of human nature and Buddha nature. I think that if we withhold now, we may hamper this opening - whereas if we can make as much available as possible, we may possibly increase demand for more.

Moreover, people in China are interested in Buddhism. The second of the Eighteen Root Bodhisattva Vows is that one will not refuse to share Dharma teachings or wealth. If there are people willing to receive the Dharma, and we have the means to give it, we should - even if it gets limited in some degrees. This is also the seventh of the Forty-Six Secondary vows, "Not giving Dharma to those who wish to learn," and if we are invited to give teachings it violates the fifth, "Not accepting when invited as a guest."
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Postby Monsoon » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:30 am

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