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unethical job for greater good?

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unethical job for greater good?

Postby korjusk » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:20 am

Hey.

Im new in this forum and in buddhism in general.
What buddhism thinks about unethical job for greater good? For example Robin Hood who stealed from rich and gave it to poor? And another example: lets say that I sell expensive jewelerys. They are real and I sell them legally but they are extreamly over priced. So besically i cheat money out of rich people but i intend to do something good with that money.

Thanks.

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Postby Cittasanto » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:24 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: unethical job for greater good?

Postby Ben » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:27 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: unethical job for greater good?

Postby korjusk » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:40 am

I think that "my goal" is to make myself and everybody else happy. So if i take* money from one rich guy and give it to lot of poor people then the avarge happines in earth will increase.

*actually hes giving me that money and it might make him happy aswell

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Re: unethical job for greater good?

Postby Ben » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:48 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: unethical job for greater good?

Postby santa100 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:13 pm

There's kamma for every single action that one does, including taking what is not given and donating to the sick and poor. So one would need to carefully consider all the options before one acts. Robin Hood probably only did what he did under exceptional circumstances. In his society back then, there might've been lots of people starving to death while the ruling class did absolutely nothing to help the sick and the poor. Maybe all other approaches had been tried, to no avail and he had to do that as a last resort..

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Re: unethical job for greater good?

Postby RMSmith » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:14 pm

As far as I'm concerned, selling the jewelry ... no matter how high the price ... is just business. If they weren't willing to pay it, the prices would come down or you'd go out of business. Because a piece might sell for a tremendous amount of money, that is then what its worth. Don't worry about that. You're not cheating them, they are cheating themselves.
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Postby LonesomeYogurt » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:51 pm

Although stealing from a rich person to give to the poor might help them out short-term, in the long run you need to wonder whether or not that would truly help them in the only way that really matters - the cultivation of non-attachment, compassion, and wisdom. So would demonstrating that stealing was good and noble, or redistributing wealth so the poor could get fancy houses and obtain more sensual pleasures really helpful to them, or would it just perpetuate their suffering? Far more helpful I think would be going to teach the Dhamma to the poor with lovingkindness and compassion. If they're starving and in danger of actually dying, then I can understand why breaking the precept wouldn't be unthinkable, but there are always better options I think!

I think the "stealing is good if it benefits the poor" sounds reasonable, but that mindset where you attach "greater good" with "more material comforts and security" is born from conventional wisdom and not the Buddha's path.

Just my two cents.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
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Re: unethical job for greater good?

Postby Ferox » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:45 am

stealing from a rich person is the same as stealing from any other person... remember " let none be separated from their fortune, justly acquired". it is still the act of taking that which does not belong to you and making some sort of "moral judgement call" to make it seem more right is wrong view.
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Postby Buckwheat » Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:27 am

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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