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The Secular Buddhist

A discussion on all aspects of Theravāda Buddhism
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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Ferox » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:35 am

oi.. this debate reminds me of the boredom college debates on philosophy, I think i'll go meditate instead lol. imo I see far to much intellectualism and not enough insight in this thread. I could care less if there was a type of Buddhism that believed the Buddha was an alien and everyone is supposed to dance around the fire. I follow my own path and I'm working on seeing things as they really are. Others are doing the same, they may find it wrong, or right, or may abandon the path all together to find another, who knows.. it is their own path to deal with, let us worry about our own paths and not feel that Buddhism is something tangible that " needs to be defended" from those who might " ruin the right way".
-just one more being treading the ancient path of Dhamma-

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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Rain soddens what is covered up,
It does not sodden what is open.
Therefore uncover what is covered
That the rain will not sodden it.
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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:17 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby ground » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:56 am

That there is a lay buddhist leading a housholder's life who is not a secular buddhist such is impossible. :tongue:

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Buckwheat » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:05 am

Hi Retro,
How did you come to accept the teachings of the Buddha as your top priority?

You make a good point that priorities must be examined. I think for me I was always miserable and looking for ways to be happy. As I ruled out every other road to happiness I tested the dhamma. It seems to work pretty well. But for me the highest priority is long term welfare and happiness. If that is through dhamma or mahayana or atheism I could care less. If I am happy in a healthy way then that is the gold standard in my book. The cessation of suffering.

Of course, being a student of the Buddha seems to be the most effective method for the cessation of suffering.
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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby rowboat » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:35 am

Rain soddens what is covered up,
It does not sodden what is open.
Therefore uncover what is covered
That the rain will not sodden it.
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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Buckwheat » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:42 am

I have a question for the secular Buddhists in the room. Do you believe that it is possible to attain Nirvana, the deathless state devoid of suffering, unshakable and pure in conduct?

The reason I ask is its something I always wrestle with yet it never comes up in faith or supernatural debates. Nirvana is a remarkable and transcendent state in which suffering shall never return. Sounds almost magical to me even if I do have some faith that the Buddha really attained such a state.

Or do you believe that we just get a little more pure and happy and then a little more pure and happy and then we die? There would be nothing immoral with that but I'm not sure it would qualify as Buddhism.
Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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