Negative Consequence of Playing Cards
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Well only if you recognise the authority of Guru Padmasabhava and the validity of the Treasure tradition. Do you caz?Caz wrote:Well I don't think i'll be playing cards again !
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My teachers respect Padmasambhava as a Buddha and so do I. In fact there where some playing cards left in a free gift bag I got and I put them in the bin.Stewart wrote:Well only if you recognise the authority of Guru Padmasabhava and the validity of the Treasure tradition. Do you caz?Caz wrote:Well I don't think i'll be playing cards again !
Abandoning Dharma is, in the final analysis, disparaging the Hinayana because of the Mahayana; favoring the Hinayana on account of the Mahayana; playing off sutra against tantra; playing off the four classes of the tantras against each other; favoring one of the Tibetan schools—the Sakya, Gelug, Kagyu, or Nyingma—and disparaging the rest; and so on. In other words, we abandon Dharma any time we favor our own tenets and disparage the rest.
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I think the instructions in the text are to burn them or throw them in a body of water. I was reminded by a Vajra friend that the spirits could escape otherwise. If it is any comfort, I made the same mistake as you.Caz wrote:My teachers respect Padmasambhava as a Buddha and so do I. In fact there where some playing cards left in a free gift bag I got and I put them in the bin.Stewart wrote:Well only if you recognise the authority of Guru Padmasabhava and the validity of the Treasure tradition. Do you caz?Caz wrote:Well I don't think i'll be playing cards again !
Regards,
Gyaltsen Tashi
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[/quote]I think the instructions in the text are to burn them or throw them in a body of water. I was reminded by a Vajra friend that the spirits could escape otherwise. If it is any comfort, I made the same mistake as you.
Regards,
Gyaltsen Tashi[/quote]
The Bin men will be out to collect soon. Besides Dharma practitoners should have little worry about spirits is they practice purely !
Regards,
Gyaltsen Tashi[/quote]
The Bin men will be out to collect soon. Besides Dharma practitoners should have little worry about spirits is they practice purely !
Abandoning Dharma is, in the final analysis, disparaging the Hinayana because of the Mahayana; favoring the Hinayana on account of the Mahayana; playing off sutra against tantra; playing off the four classes of the tantras against each other; favoring one of the Tibetan schools—the Sakya, Gelug, Kagyu, or Nyingma—and disparaging the rest; and so on. In other words, we abandon Dharma any time we favor our own tenets and disparage the rest.
Liberation in the Palm of your hand~Kyabje Pabongkha Rinpoche.
Liberation in the Palm of your hand~Kyabje Pabongkha Rinpoche.
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How many Dharma practitioners practice purely? And why did Lama Tzongkhapa compose several rituals for pacifying spirits?Besides Dharma practitoners should have little worry about spirits is they practice purely !
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For practitioners that don't practice purely, or for patrons who don't practice at all, I'd imagine.JKhedrup wrote:How many Dharma practitioners practice purely? And why did Lama Tzongkhapa compose several rituals for pacifying spirits?Besides Dharma practitoners should have little worry about spirits is they practice purely !
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"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."
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-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra
"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."
-Ra Lotsawa, All-pervading Melodious Drumbeats
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I am not so sure. Look at what it really requires to have a complete and pure refuge, it is not such an easy thing. Many senior monks in India told me they still didn't fully understand the various presentations of the qualities and functions of the triple gem as explained in the texts and so found their practice of refuge lacking. Some were very well cultivated scholars. Faith in the triple gem is one (important) thing, but a full practice of refuge requires an understanding of the Triple Gem, and for example how many people know the different bodies of a Buddha and their function, the three baskets of the teachings (dharma jewel) really well, and the various levels of Arya Sangha?
In the biographies of great lamas you read about spirit obstacles with some regularity. Lama Tzongkhapa in his writings on Yamantaka speaks of the need of this sort of deity to pacify both the inner, mental obstacles as well as the outer obstacles of hindering spirits. These rituals within the Yamantaka corpus are practiced by many Gelug lamas of high realization.
In the biographies of great lamas you read about spirit obstacles with some regularity. Lama Tzongkhapa in his writings on Yamantaka speaks of the need of this sort of deity to pacify both the inner, mental obstacles as well as the outer obstacles of hindering spirits. These rituals within the Yamantaka corpus are practiced by many Gelug lamas of high realization.
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JKhedrup wrote:I am not so sure. Look at what it really requires to have a complete and pure refuge, it is not such an easy thing.
Its a very easy thing, as the Uttaratantra states:
- Ultimate refuge
is only the buddha,
because the Muni is endowed with the dharma body.
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It's all rather quaint.
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Perhaps what makes me uncomfortable is the triple combination of a political, contemporary motif delivered as a solemn injunction 'Do not change your language' wrapped up in retroactively authoritative verse. I've come to associate verse with romanticism. Pragmatism destroys the effect, and the inventor reveals himself by it. He has an agenda which he tries to conceal. He tries to string together the most tenuous causal relations and take advantage of his position to publish his ideas. Of course of I go out on a limb by saying this, but that's how it looks to me. It wouldn't be the first fake terma.
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I guess the ball is in my court. Well, you're entitled to your opinion. As I can't find the identity of the terton or any qualified master who has authenticated it, this might certainly be a fake terma. However, I prefer to keep an open mind and see if the claims can be verified over time. In the meantime, I don't find it a loss to abstain from playing poker or holding the cards.maybay wrote:Perhaps what makes me uncomfortable is the triple combination of a political, contemporary motif delivered as a solemn injunction 'Do not change your language' wrapped up in retroactively authoritative verse. I've come to associate verse with romanticism. Pragmatism destroys the effect, and the inventor reveals himself by it. He has an agenda which he tries to conceal. He tries to string together the most tenuous causal relations and take advantage of his position to publish his ideas. Of course of I go out on a limb by saying this, but that's how it looks to me. It wouldn't be the first fake terma.
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I doubt there's anyone on the other side of that email address willing to discuss this sort of thing. It's kind of like a rumour or a computer virus. You just put it out there and let it do its thing—or cast doubts over corrosive habits like playing cards.
I'm more with the analytical approach to the effects of playing cards, or Go or Chess for that matter. Its interesting to see how the defensive, conservative Chinese mind could have been conditioned by Go, and the capitalistic, confrontational Indo-European mind manifests in the 64 place Chess mandala. Think of all the millions of hours spent playing these games over generations. We could explore this and find something deeper than just a prohibition against cards. Something that encovers any game. Games are more prolific than ever.
I'm more with the analytical approach to the effects of playing cards, or Go or Chess for that matter. Its interesting to see how the defensive, conservative Chinese mind could have been conditioned by Go, and the capitalistic, confrontational Indo-European mind manifests in the 64 place Chess mandala. Think of all the millions of hours spent playing these games over generations. We could explore this and find something deeper than just a prohibition against cards. Something that encovers any game. Games are more prolific than ever.
People will know nothing and everything
Remember nothing and everything
Think nothing and everything
Do nothing and everything
- Machig Labdron
Remember nothing and everything
Think nothing and everything
Do nothing and everything
- Machig Labdron
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Chess originated in India.maybay wrote:Its interesting to see how the defensive, conservative Chinese mind could have been conditioned by Go, and the capitalistic, confrontational Indo-European mind manifests in the 64 place Chess mandala.
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Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
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I played cards a few weeks back. And, fortunately, I escaped being possessed by any gyalpo. :-p
I think people make a bit too much of this sort of thing some times. Like the fellow who wanted to know if he should torch his cards, or if the trash is OK. It reminds me of growing up in a very fundamentalist household. At one point, everyone decided that Proctor and Gamble was "demonized" because of their logo. So a mad rush to toss all of their products ensued.
There aren't any demons in the cards. The demons are in your "heart" and the most dangerous one won't give you tuberculosis - it will cause you to spend your life either doing silly things or worrying about peope who spend their lives doing silly things.
Just a thought.
I think people make a bit too much of this sort of thing some times. Like the fellow who wanted to know if he should torch his cards, or if the trash is OK. It reminds me of growing up in a very fundamentalist household. At one point, everyone decided that Proctor and Gamble was "demonized" because of their logo. So a mad rush to toss all of their products ensued.
There aren't any demons in the cards. The demons are in your "heart" and the most dangerous one won't give you tuberculosis - it will cause you to spend your life either doing silly things or worrying about peope who spend their lives doing silly things.
Just a thought.