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The Secular Buddhist

A discussion on all aspects of Theravāda Buddhism
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Postby hermitwin » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:46 am

More often than not, this kind of websites try to take the religion out
of Buddhism. To put it bluntly, to filter out the parts that I just cant stand.
While anyone is free to interpret Buddhism any way he wants too, including the wrong way, the danger of distorting the dhamma is real.
Stephen Batchelor became a monk and later disrobed and got married.
So, now he goes around preaching that celibacy is not necessary.
I listened to the interview with Tim Ward. I suspect Ward went to
wat pah nanachat with the motive of writing a book. I could be wrong of course.
So, off he goes to WPN and claims to have 'mastered' the 'vipassana' meditation
technique within a short time. Then of course he writes a bestseller exposing
the dirty little secrets of what really goes on at WPN. Since when did WPN taught
vipassana meditation. He ended by hoping that a western buddhism school will
emerge in the west. So, in the future we will have Theravada. Mahayana, Vajrayana and Amerikayana.
Of course, this is just an educated guess. Perhaps Stephen Batchelor and Tim Ward are sincere in their search for the truth and have no ulterior motives at all.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:19 pm

Liking or disliking particular teachings is only an issue in the absence of instruction.
With proper instruction one just gets on with it.
Its not about us. Either way.
Proceeding on the basis of what attracts or repels us is a recipe for endless circling.
The Great Physicians prescriptions are effective to the degree to which they are applied...liking or not liking them...even believing or not believing them are irrelevant.
They are talking about Insights way beyond discursive thought and likes and dislikes.
They can be experienced , but that does not depend on our analytic minds or adherence to belief.
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

Bhikku Bodhi.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:43 pm

I respectfully disagree....in this matter almost everything is.
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

Bhikku Bodhi.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:15 pm

Following instructions from ones teacher/s with diligence and observing Sila.
Beliefs come and go.
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

Bhikku Bodhi.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:17 pm

They will fall away on their own if not reinforced. What is essential is cultivating right view, which results from Insight arising..not from discursive thought.
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

Bhikku Bodhi.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:17 pm

As a Westerner, I don't have any negative feelings towards secular Buddhism at all. I've practiced meditation with many SBs and they've been incredibly diligent and very helpful. Believing in rebirth solely on another's authority is not in line with the Buddha's teaching of self-examination. However, it's also a little presumptuous to throw out such an important aspect of Buddhism just because it doesn't immediately jive with your cultural background. I think we need both skepticism and humility in this matter; we can't shut off our brains if something about the teachings is bothering us but neither can we expect to immediately understand every concept without a lot of study. I think secular Buddhism helps prevent the entrenchment of social and cultural forces into the pure Dhamma but it can also lead to a very...arrogant view where anything not immediately testable or visible is thrown out as a fairy tale. As always in Buddhism, I think a middle path is best :)
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:40 pm

Ask whoever wrote it.
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

Bhikku Bodhi.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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