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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:18 pm 
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Dear people,

According to the instructions for the practices of the base level of santi maha sangha one day of practice corresponds to four thuns. Does anybody know how long is one thun supposed to be?

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Three hours


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Thank you for your reply. I just wondering where did you get this information for example, book? :reading:
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:34 am 
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2 hours. Or so I've been told by several SMS instructors.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:40 am 
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Thank you very much for your answer. :smile:


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:58 am 
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Rinpoche says "about three hours".


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:14 pm 
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You're quite sure ChNN has in mind the SMS thun in particular?

You know, it is very interesting that opinions on the issue differ. And it is equally interesting, and perhaps telling, that the Precious Vase doesn't specify the length of a thun.

You know what? I'm going to ask the boss about it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:58 pm 
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thewhiterussia wrote:
Dear people,

According to the instructions for the practices of the base level of santi maha sangha one day of practice corresponds to four thuns. Does anybody know how long is one thun supposed to be?

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I guess you refer to what we DC practitioners call the "long thun"?

Because as far as i know "thun" just means "a practice session". For example doing the Ganapuja (shorthand for ganacakra puja, btw) would be a thun as well. I've been in looooong ganapujas, 3 hours or more.

To make it last a lot, just stretch the naggon to the limit!! And keep sounding that bell and that drum!! :cheers:

I would guess there's nothing wrong with such lengths of time, as long as you can physically do it and as long as you're not stopping to attend important matters.


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I know you're talking about DC, but in general, a Thun is 2 1/2 to 3 hours. Most Nyingma and Kagyu (and maybe other) strict retreats, like three year retreats, etc., are based on 4 of these "Thuns" a day--pre-dawn (approx 3:30 or 4 am--6:30 or 7), mid morning (7 am-9:30 am or 10), afternoon (1 pm to 3:30 or 4 pm), and early evening, (5:30 or 6 pm-9 pm). Times are rough, but you get the idea.

Most retreats will have group sessions in morning and late afternoon as well, which are somewhat shorter--after first morning solitary Thun, and before the Last (evening) solitary Thun.

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Thank you very much for your reply I've got the idea now :smile:


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:01 am 
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I asked an SMS instructor how long a thun is in the SMS base practices and was told it is 2 hours. So 4 thuns would be 8 hours of practice which would equal one day.

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There are detailed instructions about the required practice sessions of the Base Level of SMS in the relevant book, pages 327-330.
Surely, for completing all those sessions, and accumulations of mantras etc, a lot of time is necessary for months or years.
It depends on the possibilities and conditions of each individual.

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Dronma wrote:
There are detailed instructions about the required practice sessions of the Base Level of SMS in the relevant book, pages 327-330.
Surely, for completing all those sessions, and accumulations of mantras etc, a lot of time is necessary for months or years.
It depends on the possibilities and conditions of each individual.


Dronma, which edition of the Precious Vase have you got?

Mine (SSI, 2008) is only 323 pages long...

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treehuggingoctopus wrote:
Dronma, which edition of the Precious Vase have you got?

Mine (SSI, 2008) is only 323 pages long...


It writes: Copyright 1999 SSI etc, and the whole book has 330 numbered pages.
The instructions, which I already mentioned, are in the last chapter with the title: "Appendix: The practices of the Base of Santi Maha Sangha", and at the last page it is signed by Rinpoche.

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I've got the Appendix. But there's no mention of the required length of a thun session there.

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treehuggingoctopus wrote:
I've got the Appendix. But there's no mention of the required length of a thun session there.


Yes, true, it does not mention the length of a thun session.
But Rinpoche recommends 4 thuns per day, and if we start accumulating the days which are required for: Lojong, the 4 immeasurables, the 3 secondary practices for the Samten, the 2 absences of self-nature, Rushens, Semdzins, plus the accumulation of mantras for the 2 Yidams (700.000, or 500.000, or at least 300.000 mantras for each), then we can understand that it is really required a lot of time.
Whether someone will dedicate 2, 3 or more hours in each thun, it is up to him/her.
It depends on the possibilities and conditions of each individual.

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I agree it will take a long time but I don't think there are any shorter options in other Tibetan Buddhist traditional schools..

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Would someone please tell me what the requirements are to purchase and study the SMS BASE LEVEL TEXT: The Precious Vase? I am a Current Member of the DC and have received direct introduction, but is there a specific transmission to begin SMS study? Obviously I would need a transmission for any practices, but where do I start with this?

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Reibeam wrote:
Would someone please tell me what the requirements are to purchase and study the SMS BASE LEVEL TEXT: The Precious Vase? I am a Current Member of the DC and have received direct introduction, but is there a specific transmission to begin SMS study? Obviously I would need a transmission for any practices, but where do I start with this?

You can get the book, no specific transmission for it necessary. And if you've attended at least one full retreat there's probably no practices in the book that you'd need extra transmission for in order to do them.

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Pero wrote:
Reibeam wrote:
Would someone please tell me what the requirements are to purchase and study the SMS BASE LEVEL TEXT: The Precious Vase? I am a Current Member of the DC and have received direct introduction, but is there a specific transmission to begin SMS study? Obviously I would need a transmission for any practices, but where do I start with this?

You can get the book, no specific transmission for it necessary. And if you've attended at least one full retreat there's probably no practices in the book that you'd need extra transmission for in order to do them.


Thanks, Pero! I really appreciate you answering so many of my posts recently, it has been really helpful!

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