Uncommon Mahayana Approaches to Dealing With Desire

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Re: Uncommon Mahayana Approaches to Dealing With Desire

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Re: Uncommon Mahayana Approaches to Dealing With Desire

Postby Karma Dorje » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:38 am

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Re: Uncommon Mahayana Approaches to Dealing With Desire

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

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Re: Uncommon Mahayana Approaches to Dealing With Desire

Postby Simon E. » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:27 pm

Can you explain what you mean by a one sided liberation Kirt ?
" My heart's in the Highlands
my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
chasing the deer."

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Re: Uncommon Mahayana Approaches to Dealing With Desire

Postby conebeckham » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:54 pm

5Heaps, it strikes me that Buddhahood is indeed a transformation...but what we're talking about here is the path. You're referring to a "result" as predicated on sutra-based practice.

We're talking about "transformation" as a method on the "path," and specifically about "desire." The question is, for a person who practices Sutric Mahayana without Tantra, how does one deal with desire on the path, before the result is attained? Certainly, a Buddha has "transformed desire" in a sense, as well as all poisons. But until that point is reached, from the POV of Sutras, desire is to be recognized, and either actively renounced or merely "noted" without attachment. I think?


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Re: Uncommon Mahayana Approaches to Dealing With Desire

Postby Konchog1 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:03 am

Equanimity is the ground. Love is the moisture. Compassion is the seed. Bodhicitta is the result.

-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra

"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."

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Re: Uncommon Mahayana Approaches to Dealing With Desire

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


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Re: Uncommon Mahayana Approaches to Dealing With Desire

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Uncommon Mahayana Approaches to Dealing With Desire

Postby Konchog1 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:09 am

That statement reminds me of Tsongkhapa (who's root guru was Sakya) saying much the same thing in his Lam Rim Chen Mo (eng v02 pg 86-99 tib 341-356). He starts the section by attacking Ha-shang's position that any thought is a cause of samsara, but then expands his criticism to people who proclaim that only Emptiness is needed for enlightenment and that conventional states of mind should be ignored by saying (eng v02 pg 88 tib 343): "To say such things contradicts all the scriptures and completely flies in the face of reason, for the goal for practitioners of the Mahayana is a non-abiding nirvana. " He then goes on to explain that both a collection of wisdom and a collection of merit is needed for non-abiding nirvana, citing several sutras and tantras. He also says (eng v02 pg 90 tib 345): "Therefore, meditate on an emptiness that has the supremacy of being associated with all aspects, i.e., an emptiness that is complete in all the facets of method--generosity and so forth. By meditating on emptiness in isolation you will never reach the Mahayana path."

So, what your lama said seems to be a standard line of thought.
Equanimity is the ground. Love is the moisture. Compassion is the seed. Bodhicitta is the result.

-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra

"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."

-Ra Lotsawa, All-pervading Melodious Drumbeats

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Re: Uncommon Mahayana Approaches to Dealing With Desire

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Dealing With Desire

Postby Sönam » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:32 am

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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