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Cannot believe in magical things

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Re: Cannot believe in magical things

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Re: Cannot believe in magical things

Postby Buckwheat » Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:17 pm

Haha, nice one Spiny. My comment was a generalization inspired by Kare's "Alice in Wonderland" quote and the title of this thread. It wasn't meant as an argument supporting rebirth or anything, only to point out that we all have our delusion, no matter if we face up to them or not. Also, I didn't mean to indicate that every belief we hold is untrue. If I could figure out how to tell the true from the untrue that didn't require years of brutally honest meditation, I'd package it in a little pill and make gabillions of dollars while helping everybody achieve enlightenment overnight :thinking: (I'm kidding, of course).
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Re: Cannot believe in magical things

Postby Kare » Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:51 pm

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Re: Cannot believe in magical things

Postby aknon » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:34 pm

I once had the exact opposite situation to your query. I believed in the existence of gods (not God the Creator). When I came upon Buddhism rejection of gods, I tried to make sense of it. One thing about Buddhism I realized is that what it taught can be observed; maybe not in the actual form but in a representative form.

If you look at gods and devas as higher realm beings, you probably will be wondering is there really such beings. How about if I show you a lower realm - that of the animals and insects. Our realm as human is higher than animal and insects. Animals and insects might see us as in term of gods and devas. They, animals and insects, lived shorter life span compared to us humans just as we humans live shorter life span compared to the gods and devas. We can interact with the animal and insects for good or evil (e.g. we can extinguish a fire that threatened a bee-hive or we can destroy a bee-hive) just as the gods can interact in human affairs for good or evil. Now, to a human, extinguishing a fire only requires us to turn on a tap and hose it down, but to a bee, it would seem that the human can command water; it would be magical. As for Buddha's magical power in the angulimala sutta, the Buddha could be doing something that the has realized in his enlightenment but is miraculous to us.

Before I took up the meditation to establish mindfulness, there was an advice to try it before making any judgement and see it for myself. I did just that and the effect was real and present even for a mediocre practitioner like myself. It would not be beyond believe for the Buddha to have achieved some thing we perceived to be magical power.

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Re: Cannot believe in magical things

Postby Brizzy » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:31 pm

Surely for most of us it is a gradual process. I personally believe in other worlds. In the beginning I believed in the creator God but, with time and life experience I realised that this could not be. Then I committed to Buddha and had a half hearted believe in 'magical' things. Then over time I proved to myself more & more that the Buddha's teachings were true and could be verified. It is now, not such a tremendous stretch of faith to believe the rest of what the Buddha taught was true (magical things). So even though I have not actually proven to myself that other world's exist, my faith in them has grown with my understanding of the Dhamma. I personally think that the best attitude towards such things is 'lets see' and not be so definitive in our belief or disbelief of such things until we have actually verified or negated the Buddha's teachings.

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Re: Cannot believe in magical things

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Re: Cannot believe in magical things

Postby Buckwheat » Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:35 am

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Re: Cannot believe in magical things

Postby Ben » Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:37 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Cannot believe in magical things

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Re: Cannot believe in magical things

Postby Son » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:55 am

A seed sleeps in soil.
It's cold and alone, hopeless.
Until it blooms above.

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Re: Cannot believe in magical things

Postby Son » Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:02 am

A seed sleeps in soil.
It's cold and alone, hopeless.
Until it blooms above.


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