"enlightenment just for oneself isnt right enlightenment..."

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"enlightenment just for oneself isnt right enlightenment..."

Postby villkorkarma » Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:44 pm

So said Dalai Lama in the book A simple path. How come?
"enlightenment just for oneself isnt right enlightenment according to mahayanawiew."

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Postby smcj » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:07 pm

If you were on a sinking ship, would you jump into a lifeboat and row away without letting other people get in it too?
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Postby greentara » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:48 am

It's important to point out that none but a realized teacher is qualified to teach others. He who does not know the path himself cannot show it to others. Ultimately an awakened one sees no others, but effortlessly radiates purity and compasssion which draws devotees who's minds are receptive.

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Postby Rakz » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:19 am

Can't help other people if you can't help yourself first.

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Postby oushi » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:37 am

So, It seems that there are different types of enlightenment. At least two: enlightenment and right enlightenment.
I think that Dalai Lama confronted with this would correct himself right away. Such sentences shouldn't be taken outside the whole teaching.
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Postby Dave The Seeker » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:10 pm

:good:
Everyday problems teach us to have a realistic attitude.
They teach us that life is what life is; flawed.
Yet with tremendous potential for joy and fulfillment.
~Lama Surya Das~

If your path teaches you to act and exert yourself correctly and leads to spiritual realizations such as love, compassion and wisdom then obviously it's worthwhile.
~Lama Thubten Yeshe~

One whose mind is freed does not argue with anyone, he does not dispute with anyone. He makes use of the conventional terms of the world without clinging to them
~The Buddha~

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Postby Jeff » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:31 pm

From the Lankavatara Sutra. The section highlights the issue/concern with the concept of individual enlightenment.

"The exalted state of self-realisation as it relates to an earnest disciple is a state of mental concentration in which he seeks to indentify himself with Noble Wisdom. In that effort he must seek to annihilate all vagrant thoughts and notions belonging to the externality of things, and all ideas of individuality and generality, of suffering and impermanence, and cultivate the noblest ideas of egolessness and emptiness and imagelessness; thus will he attain a realisation of truth that is free from passion and is ever serene. When this active effort at mental concentration is succesful it is followed by a more passive, receptive state of Samadhi in which the earnest disciple will enter into the blissful abode of Noble Wisdom and experience its consumations in the transformations of Samapatti. This is an earnest disciple's first experience of the exalted state of realisation, but as yet there is no discarding of habit-energy nor escaping from the transformation of death.
Having attained this exalted and blissful state of realisation as far as it can be attained by disciples, the Bodhisattva must not give himself up to the enjoyment of its bliss, for that would mean cessation, but should think compassionately of other beings and keep ever fresh his original vows; he should never let himself rest nor exert himself in the bliss of the Samadhis.
But, Mahamati, as earnest disciples go on trying to advance on the path that leads to full realisation."

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Re: "enlightenment just for oneself isnt right enlightenment

Postby Arjan Dirkse » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:23 pm

Enlightenment just for oneself is an impossibility, and an oxymoron...the self isn't part of enlightenment, any kind of enlightenment is about interdependence, a larger whole, it is a boundless continuum. Still, in this life the only mind we can directly deal with is our own.

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Postby smcj » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:06 am

Don't take me too seriously.

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Re: "enlightenment just for oneself isnt right enlightenment

Postby Quiet Heart » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:17 pm

Shame on you Shakyamuni for setting the precedent of leaving home.
Did you think it was not there--
in your wife's lovely face
in your baby's laughter?
Did you think you had to go elsewhere (simply) to find it?
from - Judyth Collin
The Layman's Lament
From What Book, 1998, p. 52
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