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Thanissaro Bikkhu and manipulation of the breath

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Re: Thanissaro Bikkhu and manipulation of the breath

Postby danieLion » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:55 pm

What does Thanissaro consistently teach is the purpose of pleasure on The Path?

In order to answer this, and my other post's question, correctly, you have to:

ONE: stop postulating your misunderstanding of Thanissaro as Thanissaro's teachings

and

TWO: start understanding him (and his teachers) in the context of ALL their teachings.

You can find the correct answer not only in Thanissaro's teachings, but in several other Ajaan's teachings: Mun, Boowa, Suwat, Fuang, Lee, etc....

YOU CAN ALSO FIND THE CORRECT ANSWER IN THE TEACHINGS OF THE BUDDHA, which Thanissaro is entirely consistent with.

I suspect some Trolls or otherwise maligning influences are afoot in this (and the other Thanissaro) topics....

Where does this fear of pleasure come from? Where does this fear of notions like "breath energy" or techniques like "breathing through your eyes" come from?

Are we ascetics, or are we Buddhists?
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Re: Thanissaro Bikkhu and manipulation of the breath

Postby danieLion » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:00 pm

If you think mindfulness of breathing doesn't require manipulating the breath, you need to read the Anapanasati Sutta again (if you haven't yet.)
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Re: Thanissaro Bikkhu and manipulation of the breath

Postby kirk5a » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:02 pm

I think it's positively absurd to start hunting around for something to be wrong with learning to breathe in a way that is beneficial. There's no special merit in grinding away with whatever messed up/stressed out state we find ourselves in at the moment.
"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Thanissaro Bikkhu and manipulation of the breath

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:06 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Thanissaro Bikkhu and manipulation of the breath

Postby danieLion » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:39 pm

...the best way to find out if Vens. Thanissoro, Fuang , Lee , Suwat , Mun, etc..., are full of poop in terms of their instructions on breathe meditation is to TRY THEM...

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Re: Thanissaro Bikkhu and manipulation of the breath

Postby kirk5a » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:12 am

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Thanissaro Bikkhu and manipulation of the breath

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Ignorance is an intentional act.

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Re: Thanissaro Bikkhu and manipulation of the breath

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:19 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Thanissaro Bikkhu and manipulation of the breath

Postby kirk5a » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:40 am

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Postby retrofuturist » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:27 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine


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