Ramon1920 wrote:I guess I would qualify for that list since I was strong armed by some people into being vegan until I started becoming medically sick from it.
This is good that you worded it this way, as it displays clearly your extreme bias and hyperbole on the level of fiction. So are you some minor whose parents, sic FORCED
you to become vegan? Instead I assume you are an adult who, seeking to malign veganism is trying to portray that someone twisted your arm
to make you vegan. NOTE: IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTICE IN OUR CONSUMER SOCIETY, IT IS MISTAKENLY BELIEVED THAT THE FIRST WORLD CONSUMER HAS A CONSUMER RIGHT TO EAT MEAT AND THAT HYPOTHETICALLY VEGANS CAN SAY FORCE PEOPLE, LIKE THEIR KIDS TO NOT EAT MEAT. THIS IS GROSS MISDIRECTION OF REALITY AND EXTREME ANTHROPOCENTRISM. THE PARTY BEING COERCED ARE THE FARMED ANIMALS WHO ARE FORCED TO GIVE UP THE SUM TOTAL OF THEIR LIVES FOR YOUR TASTE PREFERENCES AND PROFIT MOTIVE. CONSUMERS ARE GIVEN A FREE REIGN AS THEY PASSIVELY AGGRESSIVE HELP TO CREATE DEMAND FOR AND BENEFIT FROM THE EXPLOITATION OF ANIMALS AND TO A LESSER EXTENT THE POOR OF THEIR NATION AND THE POOR OF THE THIRD WORLD, WHOSE ALIENATED LABOR IS THE ONLY THINK THAT ALLOWS THEIR LAVISH LIFESTYLE. NEW FLASH: YOU ARE NOT THE CENTER OF THE WORLD, OTHERS DON'T DESERVE TO SUFFER FOR YOUR BENEFIT, SO YOU CAN HAVE AIR CONDITIONING AND MEAT IN THE FRIDE. FULL STOP.
Veganism is a fad the same way that abolitionism was a fad to the racist white planter society of the Southern United States which depended on slave labor. Either veganism succeeds or humanity fails. People like you don't want to live in reality. In our society there is a term the real world
which paradoxically actually refers to fictional world of financial markets, money, alienating jobs people don't want to work, etc. This creates a nice bifurcation that allows us to wage a total war against the actually existing real world
consisting of dirt, micro-organism and all the insects, plants and animals. The more farmed meat you eat, the more of the real world you destroy, because it is the most wasteful way to get calories -- period. Now I fully expect the selfish humans using their consumer choice mentality that you are a good exemplar of to eat meat until the aquifers are depleted(the Ogalla the largest aquifer in the USA is running dry
due to farming feeder crops for animals, the Hoover Dam in a few years will be so low that it can no longer generate power and eventually their will be water rationing), the rivers run dry(the Colorado River no long runs into the Gulf of Mexico
), till the waterways are totally polluted with animal feces(human feces which is smaller in tonnage has to be treated, animal waste from farming, doesn't...), run-off from pesticides, etc. If veganism fails, life on earth does to. People will have to consume less and actually give a shit.
As to your claims of health problems, most chronic health problems like cancer, osteoporosis, diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, heart disease, irritable bowel, glaucoma can be prevented or reversed with a plant based vegan diet. There actually good doctors out there like Dr. McDougall, Dr. Joel Fuhrman, Dr. Caldwell Caldwell Esselstyn, Dr. Klaper, etc., that actually cure and reverse diseases with a medically supervised plant diet. The best of so called science and chemical engineering on the other hand results in huge costs and allowing people to continue their poor lifestyle with the false feedback of pills that will for example artificially lower cholesterol, but they won't stop the endothelial damage in the arteries from continuing to consume animal products. Case in point a recent study showed that Americans are living longer, but the number of years they are disabled or in ill health is increasing.
Eating meat does not only waste natural resources and the real world, it wastes human lives also. It is widely known that caretakers often die sooner than those they medically caretake. Just because you want to put whatever in your mouth, doesn't mean just animals suffer, no one wants to change someone else's diapers because they decided to not exercise and eat pork for decades with the false feedback of statin drugs, instead of actually lowering their cholesterol and high blood pressure by avoiding animal products. Not to mention this paradigm leads to financial collapse. In Greece with its debt crisis used to sell of the country to a resurgent Fourth Reich led by Merkel, hospitals, patients and doctors all cannot afford the current medical paradigm of poor lifestyle, masked by pills till surgery is needed. It is too expensive and it is not a solid state system like avoiding the problem at the source is. In the USA half of Americans will be diabetic or prediabetic as early as 2020.
Literally meat eating can financially cripple societies.
As to your allegations of rude vegans, again it most likely hyperbole or an outright lie just like when you tried to portray you were "strong armed" into being vegan. As someone who also used to be car-free and bicycle everywhere, I can confirm 100% that the more thoughtful you are in your lifestyle, the ruder people will be. If you decide to ride a bike people will rudely honk at you to get off the road, the youth will scream to startle you as they drive past, motorists will callously splash you if its raining and you are not vigilant enough, they will blind you with their high beam at night, etc. It is the same with veganism, if you are vegan you will be constantly made fun of and mocked. People know what they are doing. They know on some beneath the surface level that they are driving around in over one-ton land tanks only to carry themselves around most the time and the average male only weighs about 200 pounds(in my country)
, they know that they cannot bear witness with their eyes to what factory farmed animals have to live through, they know most the products they buy are produced by super-exploited labor in the third world where armed guards on patrol. Thus veganism is an attack on their opulent that they don't inherently deserve or have a right to, so they attack vegans. You cannot displace this with made up anecdotes to contribute to lame anti-vegan vitriol.
Either humanity will have to give a shit, real fast, or the whole world will be like a war-zone in the battle of consuming the world. The vegan movement is one of the only ways to drastically set alot of things right. If people care enough animals to not eat them, they will also care about the colonized humans enough to not exploit them. If you give the least powerful beings respect you give every human more respect, giving to the weakest raises the level for all boats. Instead people just want: "me, mine" and to consume. As long as they are comfortable in 24/7 air conditioning, as long as they have a massive car to carry around a few pounds of human flesh, as long as they can eat whatever they want no matter how many animals die, and they have insurance or the government paying for the pills they will need when they age, most won't care. This is what we have, we can see the results and they are not pretty. If veganism is really a fad, there is no hope for humanity or the world either.