Empirical data and sunyata

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Re: Empirical data and sunyata

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Re: Empirical data and sunyata

Postby Sherab » Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:13 am

http://www.shantideva.net/guide_ch9.htm

Chapter 9 verse 5:
"Ordinary people see and imagine things as real and not illusory. It is in this respect that there is disagreement between the contemplatives and the ordinary people."

I guess it is a matter of who does the translation. Those with Gelugpa's background will translate with Gelugpa's point of view. A good example is Garfield's translation of Nagarjuna’s Mulamadhyamakakarika.

The question then is to decide which translation is more accurate. On this issue, I rely on logical reasoning. For me, "inherent existence" leaves unexplained gaps.

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Re: Empirical data and sunyata

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Re: Empirical data and sunyata

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Re: Empirical data and sunyata

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Re: Empirical data and sunyata

Postby Sherab » Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:09 am

Exemplary practitioners can be found in all traditions, from Theravada to Vajrayana, if we only care to look.

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Re: Empirical data and sunyata

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Re: Empirical data and sunyata

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Re: Empirical data and sunyata

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Re: Empirical data and sunyata

Postby Sherab » Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:49 am

5heaps,
I've explained in my earlier posts why "illusion" and not "illusion-like" should be used.

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Re: Empirical data and sunyata

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Re: Empirical data and sunyata

Postby Sherab » Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:37 am

I suppose you disagree with the logic of Nagarjuna then.

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Re: Empirical data and sunyata

Postby justsit » Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:27 am

Just a quick comment - Dzogchen Ponlop Rinpoche is a lineage holder in the Kagyu and Nyingma traditions. Never been a Gelugpa, afaik.

Thanks,
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Re: Empirical data and sunyata

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Re: Empirical data and sunyata

Postby catmoon » Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:54 am

Oho! So that's how the bias works! Anything in a robe is automatically Gelug. Most interesting.
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Re: Empirical data and sunyata

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Bias works in mysterious ways.


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