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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:46 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby vinasp » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:49 am

Hi Retro,

And when a belief/view is clung to, does it then persist in the mind?

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby vinasp » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:00 am

Hi everyone,

At enlightenment the formations which cease are those which originate
from, and depend on, ignorance.

Other formations do not cease. So the Buddha was still able to speak
whatever language he spoke. He also still had all the skills which he
had acquired.

He was not reduced to the state of a new-born baby.

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:08 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby vinasp » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:21 am

Hi Retro,

I think that you are mis-interpreting SN 12.61

It is only intended to show that the mind of an ordinary person is jumping
from one thing to another - like a monkey in the forest.

His attention jumps from one thing to another.

It does not mean that there are no things which persist in the mind.

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:37 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby vinasp » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:04 am

Hi Retro,

If nothing persists in the mind then:

1. Where are your memories when you are not attending to them?

2. Where is your knowledge when you are not attending to it?

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:07 am

Greetings Mike,

There is no "1+1=2" apart from consciousness of "1+1=2".

Your cleaving of concept and thought is an artificial distinction, and if you look within loka instead of looking within the books of Sujin Boriharnwanaket and her followers, you will see this for yourself, and it will render your present line of questioning moot.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:10 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby vinasp » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:25 am

Hi Retro,

You have just admitted that you do not have any knowledge.

This means that you know absolutely nothing.

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby vinasp » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:45 am

Hi TMingyur,

An interesting post.

But, in order to write that, you had to use your knowledge of English.
That knowledge must persist somewhere, if not in the mind - then
where?

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:06 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine


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