Quantum Mechanics and Personality Survival

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Quantum Mechanics and Personality Survival

Postby Sherab » Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:30 am

Interesting article entitled "Compatibility of Contemporary Physical Theory with Personality Survival"

http://www-physics.lbl.gov/~stapp/Compatibility.doc

Abstract
Orthodox quantum mechanics is technically built around an element that von Neumann called Process 1. In its basic form it consists of an action that reduces the prior state of a physical system to a sum of two parts, which can be regarded as the parts corresponding to the answers ‘Yes’ and ‘No’ to a specific question that this action poses, or ‘puts to nature’. Nature returns one answer or the other, in accordance with statistical weightings specified by the theory. Thus the standard statistical element in quantum theory enters only after the Process-1 choice is made, while the known deterministic element in quantum theory governs the dynamics that prevails between the reduction events, but not the process that determines which of the continuum of allowed Process-1 probing actions will actually occur. The rules governing that selection process are not fixed by the theory in its present form. This freedom can be used to resolve in a natural way an apparent problem of the orthodox theory, its biocentrism. That resolution produces a rationally coherent realization of the theory that preserves the basic orthodox structure but allows naturally for the possibility that human personality may survive bodily death.

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Re: Quantum Mechanics and Personality Survival

Postby Indrajala » Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:35 am

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Re: Quantum Mechanics and Personality Survival

Postby Lazy_eye » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:36 am

Unless by "personality survival" he means something like an atman. In which case physics would be catching up to Hindu thought.

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Re: Quantum Mechanics and Personality Survival

Postby Indrajala » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:50 am

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Re: Quantum Mechanics and Personality Survival

Postby Lazy_eye » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:57 am

Depends on what you mean by a "person". And, more to the point of the OP, what Stapp means by a "personality".

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Re: Quantum Mechanics and Personality Survival

Postby Indrajala » Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:09 pm

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Re: Quantum Mechanics and Personality Survival

Postby catmoon » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:54 pm

Hmm. Maybe quantum entanglement is the medium of rebirth. Never thought of that. It is just subtle enough to fit the bill.

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Re: Quantum Mechanics and Personality Survival

Postby Sherab » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:27 am

Just a reality check - Stapp's ideas are still not accepted in mainstream science.

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Re: Quantum Mechanics and Personality Survival

Postby catmoon » Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:19 am

Sergeant Schultz knew everything there was to know.

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Re: Quantum Mechanics and Personality Survival

Postby Lazy_eye » Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:55 am

Except that Henry Stapp's no "armchair physicist", but the real deal. Has done his philosophy of mind homework too, from what I can see.

Deepak Chopra, well, that's a different story...

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Re: Quantum Mechanics and Personality Survival

Postby Indrajala » Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:59 am

In a hundred years I imagine scientists will look back at our now cutting edge theories and think how backwards and limited in scope they were.

What sounds like science fiction now can become factual in the future.
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