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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby ground » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:37 am

Now that is really funny. The words are written there yet there is desire for other words.
Why is this?

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:54 am

Greetings Mike,

There is no sniping - merely a preference for Buddhavacana over speculation and other words.

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Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby piotr » Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:10 am

Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...

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Postby piotr » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:24 am

Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:47 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:58 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby piotr » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:04 am

Hi Manapa,

That's funny because I always had a trouble with finding this passage too. I was convinced that it's somewhere in Sacca-samyutta of Samyutta-nikaya.
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Postby piotr » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:10 am

Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:18 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby piotr » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:45 am

Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby vinasp » Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:11 pm

Hi Retro,

Just answer the question Retro.

How long does a view last?

SN 12.61 does not answer that question.

Perhaps you cannot answer it.

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby pulga » Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:40 pm

Extirpating asmimána doesn’t require us to sacrifice the world’s intelligibility.

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby vinasp » Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:03 pm

Hi everyone,

"But the instructed noble disciple understands views, understands their
origin, their cessation and the way leading to the cessation of views.
For him views cease; and he is freed from birth, old age, death, from
sorrows, griefs, ills, tribulations, he is freed from suffering, I say."

"He understands views", this means that he understands what views are.

" understands their origin", this means that he understands how they
have originated from ignorance.

" their cessation", this means that he understands how they will cease
when ignorance ceases.

" and the way leading to the cessation of views", this means that he
understands the method of practice which will bring about the
cessation of views.

He follows that method of practice and: "for him views cease",
and he is freed from birth, old age, death, from sorrows, griefs,
ills, tribulations, he is freed from suffering, I say."

If he were to try to see views as arising and ceasing every moment,
it would be of no use to him.

Regards, Vincent.

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:26 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby vinasp » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:05 am

Hi Retro,

Thank you for answering my question. Unfortunately I can't understand anything
that you have said.

For me, a (wrong) view is a delusion or obsession.

Could you please explain how you understand a (wrong) view.

Regards, Vincent.

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:29 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Dhamma eye: "whatever aising-dhamma cessation-dhamma"

Postby vinasp » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:09 am

Hi Retro,

You say that a view is a belief, which may be right or wrong.
In MN 11 the Buddha says that there are four kinds of clinging.
One of these is "view-clinging", which originates from craving,
which has its origin in feeling, and so on.

How do you understand this clinging in relation to the beliefs
which you call views?

Regards, Vincent


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