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About No-Self

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Re: About No-Self

Postby vinasp » Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:21 pm

Hi Chris,

Yes. That is how the entry continues.

Regards, Vincent.

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Re: About No-Self

Postby contemplans » Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:57 pm

It is a common understanding about the prefix a, an. It is an Indo-European root. It negates the word it is prefixed to, makes it the opposite, but does not negate it totally. IN-constant (a-nicca), doesn't mean having no constancy. If there was no constancy, then why does my head appear in the same place every day? My head is pretty constant in its place. So the meaning is something else. The meaning is you develop the perception to look at what is inconstant, what is not-self. The most literal way of putting it in English would be "unself". That doesn't make sense, so we use instead "not-self". As you may see, NO is not a prefix, but an adverb. Pali would say, "I do not have a self," lit. "There is no self to me," if it wish to express the idea of no self.

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Re: About No-Self

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:28 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Cittasanto » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:31 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: About No-Self

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:35 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: About No-Self

Postby cooran » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:29 am

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

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Re: About No-Self

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:53 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: About No-Self

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:06 am

I think it helps support but agree retro!
Ajahn Chah preferred not sure!


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: About No-Self

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:17 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: About No-Self

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:26 am

Hi Retro,
Certainly, I meant that it supports the notion on an intellectual stage, helps make it palatable for some.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: About No-Self

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:08 am

Greetings,

I concur.

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: About No-Self

Postby Prasadachitta » Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:17 pm

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: About No-Self

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:08 pm

Certainly the "flux" that Ven Nanavira describes sound very metaphysical. It seems to have little to do with calming the mind and observing for oneself the rapid rise and fall of phenomena.

:anjali:
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