smcj wrote:catmoon wrote:There used to be a Mt. Sumeru in Africa, according to Google maps. But I just checked and it isn't there any more!
There's a Mt. Meru in western Africa. I read newspaper clip about an airplane crashing into it.
Ben Yuan wrote:The Kamadhatu/Desire Realm:
This is to scale as described in the Abhidharmakośabhāṣyam.
You can figure out what and where everything is with these:
I also made images for the form and formless realms, but I'm afraid the distances described are so vast as to render the pictures somewhat uninteresting expanses of space.
And no, nothing in this picture is supposed to be "immaterial" from our perspective. It is all rupa, form. That does not mean we have to try and figure out its location. Not everything needs to be presumed true prior to investigation. On the other hand, if you enjoy reveling in fantasy and mythological cosmologies, this can be a whole load of fun to imagine (and in the end, that's the point of it "all," isn't it?).
The heading Kamadhatu is incorrect, because You have the Rupadhatu and Arupyadhatu there as well. Albeit Vasubandhu says that the Arupyadhatus are not situated anywhere specific, because of their nature of infinity.
Ben Yuan wrote:As for more than 3 dimensions, you'll have to explain that one to me. As far as I am concerned, there's height, breadth and extension.
Ben Yuan wrote:Perhaps, but I still feel it is unnecessary to try to read too much science into it.
Ben Yuan wrote:I see no reason to force through the idea that they have to "actually" "be" somewhere. They could just not exist. Ultimately, they arise for the same reasons everything else does - mental formations. It doesn't mean much to say something exists or doesn't exist when you are talking in Buddhist terms - everything arises dependent on causes and conditions. When the conditions are not there, they do not arise.
Moreover, nowhere do I see any necessity in the idea that the result of conditions which do not exist, has to exist. If the conditions are not present, the result simply is not present. If the conditions are present, the result is present. Why is it so necessary that all the realms as put forth in the Abhidharma and Sutras have to have all of the conditions required for their arising present? It is not necessary at all - though it may very well be the case that the conditions are present.
On the simple level however, if we are arguing for the non-corporeality of something, we are not discussing stuff in the 'form' realm. It is simple, form consists of the four elements: earth, fire, water, air.
Aemilius wrote:This doesn't mean that nothing extraordinary exists. It is dull and boring to take away all yakshas, devas, asuras, etc from the Dharma. It is also contrary to the truth, in my opinion.
Ben Yuan wrote:Those are nice diagrams.
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