sang and serkyem practice

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sang and serkyem practice

Postby jay » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:47 pm

Hi I would like to do this practice and would like to know is it compulsory to use a bell whilst singing the melodies. The problem where i live, is that the walls are very thin and the neighbours would be able to hear. Is it ok if i just use wine for the serkyem cup?

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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Postby heart » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:33 am

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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Postby jay » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:32 am

Thanks magnus- Yes, it is ChNN's pratice. I'm really looking forward to it. I dont have any sang at the momment, but have some green tara incense from bhutan. Would it be ok to use that? In the book, it says to empower the sang water...how do i do that?


I'm hoping a nice glass of merlot appeases my guests :smile:

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Postby heart » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:48 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Postby Grigoris » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:54 am

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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Postby jay » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:16 am

Hi Greg, when you say purification practices- which ones do you mean? Do I need to repeat the practice more than 1x in a single session? When giving the offering to the 4 directions, as well as offering the wine, should i also offer the food as well?

Sorry relative newbie to this practice x

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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Postby Grigoris » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:43 am

These are general instructions for sang and serkyem, they are not specific to the practice you are doing. Sang and serkyem practices exist in other Tibetan Buddhist traditions too.

The only one of the new questions I can answer with any certaintly is that the food goes out with the drink.
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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Postby Adamantine » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:54 am

It's best to get the specific instructions from some senior ChNN student who does this practice and is very familiar with it. I do serkyem dharmapala practice according to the Dudjom Tersar, so my knowledge may be misleading as each lineage may have various specific instructions that could even be in contradiction to instructions in another lineage.

For instance, according to ChNN's ganapuja instructions, one takes a bite out of each food object one will offer in the remainder plate. In the Dudjom Tersar, one would never take a bite out of the remainder offerings, in fact they are set aside in the beginning when one first receives the tsok and kept clean.

That is just an example, to show that something that could be construed as a general rule between sibling lineages may very well NOT be a general rule!

So when it comes to making serkyem offerings to the Dharma protectors, this is serious business. I wouldn't fumble around as mistakes can have some kickback. Wait until you get 100% clarity from a senior practitioner in this lineage who is very familiar with the practice before you go ahead and try it.

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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Postby Adamantine » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:58 am

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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Postby Grigoris » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:02 am

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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Postby Adamantine » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:07 am

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Postby heart » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:10 am

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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Postby Adamantine » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:25 pm

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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Postby Yeti » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:57 am

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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Postby Reibeam » Thu May 22, 2014 5:06 am

A little off topic, but......

Is the wine that is offered during the Ngagkong offered in the same way as the serkyem (in four directions outside) or is it just offered in the direction your facing wherever you are doing the practice? Also, when is it distributed? after each invocation of that particular guardian or at the end of each ngagkong recitation?

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