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Interconectedness

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Interconectedness

Postby greggorious » Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:56 pm

I'm still fairly ignorant abotu Theravada. I'm more familiar with Mahayana (Being a zen practitioner for many years). Though since discovering Vipassana meditation I don't wanna look back.
What I wanted to know is that so far I don't see any writings on the interconectedness of all beings and the universe. The mahayana schools see this as very important, as well as the fact that science, or to be more specific, quantum physics has now proved this, at least on a mechanical level. Is this one of the reasons that the Bodhisattva exists in mahayana and not theravada?
Is there anything at all in the pali canon that suggestions the oneness of the universe? If not are theravada Buddhists now accepting this?
"The original heart/mind shines like pure, clear water with the sweetest taste. But if the heart is pure, is our practice over? No, we must not cling even to this purity. We must go beyond all duality, all concepts, all bad, all good, all pure, all impure. We must go beyond self and nonself, beyond birth and death. When we see with the eye of wisdom, we know that the true Buddha is timeless, unborn, unrelated to any body, any history, any image. Buddha is the ground of all being, the realization of the truth of the unmoving mind.” Ajahn Chah

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Re: Interconectedness

Postby Ben » Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:35 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Interconectedness

Postby Khalil Bodhi » Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:40 am

I hope yuo don't mind but one of my favorite Dhamma talks by Ven. Thanissaro is specifically on this topic:

May it be of benefit. Mettaya!
To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind — this is the teaching of the Buddhas.
-Dhp. 183

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Re: Interconectedness

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:43 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Interconectedness

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Re: Interconectedness

Postby Goofaholix » Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:34 am

I don't think it's ever specifically taught they way it is in Mahayana.

I don't think there is any reason to believe though that this means the Theravadin view is that we all exist separately in some kind of silo or vacuum.

Interdependence or interconnectedness I think kind of goes without saying, it's pretty obvious to anyone with with a basic understanding of science.

In addition to that there is the teaching of dependent origination, surely whatever is dependently originated is dependant, and whatever is dependant is not independent, and whatever is not independent is interconnected.

Most of that is pretty superfluous and not worth making a song and dance about, so I'm not sure why Mahayana does, however dependent origination is woerth looking into because that's where we can examine and learn to break the causal relationship leading to suffering.

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Re: Interconectedness

Postby dhamma_newb » Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:34 am

The watched mind brings happiness.
Dhp 36

I am larger and better than I thought. I did not know I held so much goodness.
Walt Whitman

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Re: Interconectedness

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Re: Interconectedness

Postby reflection » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:01 am

Interconnectedness and no-self are the same thing. The latter is a common therevadan concept and so is interconnectedness.

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Re: Interconectedness

Postby pegembara » Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:02 am

And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: Interconectedness

Postby greggorious » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:47 pm

Thanks for all your replies. You know the thing I love about Buddhism the most? It's the diverse opinions, even in one tradition alone people interpret things differently, and what's more, we don't get violent about it and cause wars like other religions do.
"The original heart/mind shines like pure, clear water with the sweetest taste. But if the heart is pure, is our practice over? No, we must not cling even to this purity. We must go beyond all duality, all concepts, all bad, all good, all pure, all impure. We must go beyond self and nonself, beyond birth and death. When we see with the eye of wisdom, we know that the true Buddha is timeless, unborn, unrelated to any body, any history, any image. Buddha is the ground of all being, the realization of the truth of the unmoving mind.” Ajahn Chah


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