Ngondro Quandries

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Re: Ngondro Quandries

Postby pemachophel » Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:09 pm

Nilasaraswati,

This ngon-dro is a gong-ter revealed specifically for Jetsun Pema Rinpoche and Her (i.e., Mr. Kazi's) Western students by H.H. Dudjom Rinpoche. So first of all, if you have received it from a bona fide source (which you have), Guru Rinpoche intended it for you. What an incredible thought! Because it is so fresh, it carries incredible blessings and swift accomplishment. As Mr. Kazi used to say (and Susan [haydenlaw] hinted at above, it is not just a ngon-dro. It is the kind of very simple Dzogchen sadhana a highly accomplished yogi might do after having completed so many other, more complex and extensive sadhanas. So don't undervalue this sadhana. Mr. Kazi did it every single day, and He received it after He was realized.

In terms of its being a ngon-dro, you can pretty much finish each of its five sections in 3-4 days each (four 3-hour sessions per day). So just do it.

As Susan has also said, Mr. Kazi gave His students the Longchen Nyingthig ngon-dro after completing this short ngon-dro. However, you could easily make this short ngon-dro your lifetime practice. It's not lacking anything. Whether other Teachers would/will accept this ngon-dro before allowing you to go on to other practices, that's up to Them. But you shouldn't think that this practice is higher than that practice. Really accomplish any one practice and the two purposes (of self and others) are served. Remember that the great Guru, Khyentse Wangpo realized while doing Vajrasattvas within ngon-dro. Also remember that H.H. Chatral Rinpoche has done 14 ngon-dro.

Today is Mr. Kazi's three-year parinirvana anniversary; so I'm off to my cushion. Good luck and best wishes.

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Re: Ngondro Quandries

Postby Nilasarasvati » Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:03 pm

:shock:

Thank you so much.
Exactly the validation I needed,
plus the fire lit under my ass.
I, too, will be heading to my cushion...
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Re: Ngondro Quandries

Postby Adamantine » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:51 pm

pemachophel wrote:Today is Mr. Kazi's three-year parinirvana anniversary;


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Re: Ngondro Quandries

Postby Nilasarasvati » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:23 am

I thought that Lama Kazi's paranirvana was 2008?? :shrug:
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Re: Ngondro Quandries

Postby pemachophel » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:29 am

2010. So three years have passed since then, making this the third anniversary.

BTW, Susan said I was a "speed demon." It's not speed in saying the mantra but hours on the cushion.

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Re: Ngondro Quandries

Postby Nilasarasvati » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:04 am

:anjali: :anjali: :anjali:

thank you again.
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Re: Ngondro Quandries

Postby haydenlaw » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:36 pm

pemachophel wrote:2010. So three years have passed since then, making this the third anniversary.

BTW, Susan said I was a "speed demon." It's not speed in saying the mantra but hours on the cushion.

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Pema Chophel - Actually Mr. Kazi's parinirvana was in 2009 - I checked my journals yesterday to make sure.

Very good point about cushion time vs mantra speed.

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Re: Ngondro Quandries

Postby pemachophel » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:38 pm

Susan,

I was relying on Allan's memory. I told him a few weeks ago that it was the fourth anniversary and he said I was wrong. Glad someone actually writes stuff down.

Thanks.

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Re: Ngondro Quandries

Postby Nilasarasvati » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:09 pm

Were any of you invited to come to Urgyen Samten Ling on Saga Dawa 2011?? I met two men who were students of Lama Kazi, one of whom may have been named Alan, although I can't remember.
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Re: Ngondro Quandries

Postby haydenlaw » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:24 am

pemachophel wrote:Susan,

I was relying on Allan's memory. I told him a few weeks ago that it was the fourth anniversary and he said I was wrong. Glad someone actually writes stuff down.

Thanks.

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That's funny - I got an email from Allan too and wrote him back with the information about it being 2009. I double checked it with another student of Mr. Kazi's here and she had also made a note of the date.

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Re: Ngondro Quandries

Postby dakini_boi » Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:15 pm

Nilasarasvati wrote:For these reasons I'm assuming, once I'm finished, that most Lamas will expect me to accumulate a "normal" size Ngondro (which, by the way, I do want to do! In fact I wish I'd started with one!). That said...basically...I feel discouraged in the process of accumulating this one


This isn't necessarily true. And it could depend on your view and confidence. For example, I have 2 friends who completed the Dudjom Tersar Ngondro, under instruction from Chagdud Tulku. He allowed his students to accumulate all parts simultaneously. Then both these individuals went to another teacher, who requires his students to accumulate each part sequentially, i.e. you can't count any madala offerings until you've done all your prostrations, etc. One of my friends had the view and faith that she had completed her ngondro. My other friend had some doubts about it, since the new teacher's requirements were different. So the first friend was allowed to go right into the next practice with the new teacher. My friend with doubts was asked to do 10,000 of each accumulation in a sequential way before moving on.
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Re: Ngondro Quandries

Postby Nilasarasvati » Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:40 pm

:thinking: well. With my degree of doubts, I'm gonna have a highly materialistic approach to accumulation....I.E. it's not gonna take until I do 1 million of everything :P
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Re: Ngondro Quandries

Postby dakini_boi » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:53 pm

just imagine that each prostration or mantra recitation is the last thing that you will ever do in this life. That attitude helps me when I start to fixate on numbers.
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