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Ali Kali / Vowels and Consonants

Postby Nilasarasvati » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:15 pm

Does anybody have a link to somebody actually pronouncing these correctly? It would be a hugely helpful foundational practice for anybody who's a nursery room learner of Tibetan like me.

ALSO in Sanskrit. That would be really cool!
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Re: Ali Laki / Vowels and Consonants

Postby Sherab Dorje » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:20 pm

Nilasarasvati wrote:Does anybody have a link to somebody actually pronouncing these correctly? It would be a hugely helpful foundational practice for anybody who's a nursery room learner of Tibetan like me.

ALSO in Sanskrit. That would be really cool!
Tibetan? The mantra is just the Sanskrit alphabet (as Tibetans see it). You should just pronounce it like it was transmitted to you.
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Re: Ali Laki / Vowels and Consonants

Postby dzogchungpa » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:52 pm

That should be "Ali Kali", btw.
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Re: Ali Laki / Vowels and Consonants

Postby Nilasarasvati » Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:34 am

RGGh I just noticed that. It's too late now...*prays to the moderators*
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Re: Ali Kali / Vowels and Consonants

Postby Aemilius » Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:33 am

There are several sanskrit tutorials in the internet, they have sound files that contain the sanskrit or devanagari alphabet. Here is one of them http://www.acharya.gen.in:8080/sanskrit/lessons.php
It is interesting to compare the different pronunciations of sanskrit alphabet.
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Re: Ali Kali / Vowels and Consonants

Postby kirtu » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:01 am

Nilasarasvati wrote:Does anybody have a link to somebody actually pronouncing these correctly? It would be a hugely helpful foundational practice for anybody who's a nursery room learner of Tibetan like me.

ALSO in Sanskrit. That would be really cool!


Of course they are Sanskrit. However when HH Penor Rinpoche gave the transmission for this he made it clear that in his opinion Westerners had difficulty with the pronunciation. This part of (mostly Nyingma) Tibetan Buddhism stems from the view that Sanskrit itself is a blessed language. Even HH Sakya Trizen has spoken about this aspect of Tibetan Buddhism and the Ali-Kali are not recited in Sakya.

But the transliterations one sees in texts are close enough. Afterall, HH Penor Rinpoche pronounced them like a Tibetan and I don't think he followed Sanskrit pronunciation (in fact this may even be in my notes - I'll check when I can).

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Re: Ali Kali / Vowels and Consonants

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:46 am

Aemilius wrote:There are several sanskrit tutorials in the internet, they have sound files that contain the sanskrit or devanagari alphabet. Here is one of them http://www.acharya.gen.in:8080/sanskrit/lessons.php
It is interesting to compare the different pronunciations of sanskrit alphabet.
I can't access this site, eset doesn't like it at all!
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Re: Ali Kali / Vowels and Consonants

Postby Aemilius » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:47 pm

That is strange, I can get it easily. It is an indian site. A time-honored method is first to try other indian sites, when Your computer has got used to being in India, try again the Acharya Sanskrit address.
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