Dorje Drollo Practice

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Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby jay » Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:04 pm

A little while back (cant remember which retreat), ChNN gave the lung for dorje drollo at the end of a retreat- I did not have time to write the mantra down. I would be grateful if someone could pm me how to do the practice and mantra. Is there an action mantra too?

I read on the forum here that in the short tun you can use dorje drollo instead of guru tragohur/ simhamukha. How does dorje drollo differ from guru dragphur?

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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby michaelb » Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:18 pm

I thought ChNN gave the Drollo empowerment, not just the lung.
there was a thread about it here: http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=6781

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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby jay » Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:35 pm

It was after that retreat- possibly the samantabhadra retreat in August 2012...

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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby MalaBeads » Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:56 pm

michaelb wrote:I thought ChNN gave the Drollo empowerment, not just the lung.
there was a thread about it here: http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=6781


ChNN gave the don wang for Drollo, not exactly an empowerment but not different either. Someone with more background could explain the difference perhaps.

As far as I know, ChNN has only given don wang during webcasts, not empowerments. It's impractical to give an empowerment via webcast. But I am definitely not an "expert."
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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby michaelb » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:05 pm

Yes, in the thread I linked Malcolm said it was "a so called don dbang, a meaning empowerment" which is still more than a lung, isn't it? I'm not sure I understand the difference, though. Anyway, there is a short Adzom Drollo sadhana on TBRC also mentioned on the thread I linked. The mantra will be in that.

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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby Dronma » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:00 pm

Donwang is indeed an empowerment. Not in the form of elaborate initiation though, since it is not necessary in the levels of Anu and Ati Yoga.
The Dorje Drolod mantra is uploaded in the "Files" section of the Webcast website.
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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby jay » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:22 pm

I dont remember receiving the don wang for the practice- i didnt do the retreat in february 2012, from what i heard in one of the collective practices at the end of the webcast retreats since august 2012, it was a lung. Is it still ok to do the practice without having done the earlier retreat in feb 2012?

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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby Pero » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:25 pm

Yes it's fine to do it without the empowerment otherwise he wouldn't be giving it. But I think you should try to get it in the future if this practice is something important to you.
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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby jay » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:32 pm

Thankyou everyone for your help- much appreciated :smile:

I have to get better at writing down what lungs ChNN gives at the end of retreats, as sometimes he can drop an unexpected lung in and sometimes the pronouniation can sound v.different to whats written down.

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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby Dronma » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:48 pm

All practices, including mantras, which ChNN Rinpoche is transmitting, are included in the books by SSI Publications.
A few of them are uploaded in the Webcast website, open or restricted sections of Files.
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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby jay » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:27 pm

I just went back and listened to the webcast archive files and the lung is the root mantra. He did not give the action mantra. Does that mean that the action mantra wont work?

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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby Pero » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:30 pm

jay wrote:I just went back and listened to the webcast archive files and the lung is the root mantra. He did not give the action mantra. Does that mean that the action mantra wont work?

Yes (though even he did gave lung for, according to Rinpoche if you don't do the main mantra sufficiently the action mantra won't work anyway). I think you might need the empowerment for that. :shrug:
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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby jay » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:35 pm

hmm...how would the practice work without the action mantra?

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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby heart » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:38 pm

MalaBeads wrote:
michaelb wrote:I thought ChNN gave the Drollo empowerment, not just the lung.
there was a thread about it here: http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=6781


ChNN gave the don wang for Drollo, not exactly an empowerment but not different either. Someone with more background could explain the difference perhaps.

As far as I know, ChNN has only given don wang during webcasts, not empowerments. It's impractical to give an empowerment via webcast. But I am definitely not an "expert."


A "don wang" is an empowerment, if you don't believe me ask Rinpoche yourself.

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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby heart » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:39 pm

jay wrote:hmm...how would the practice work without the action mantra?


You do the main mantra, main meaning the most important mantra.

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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby Dronma » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:58 am

heart wrote:
jay wrote:hmm...how would the practice work without the action mantra?


You do the main mantra, main meaning the most important mantra.

/magnus


Exactly! :twothumbsup:
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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby MalaBeads » Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:29 am

heart wrote:
MalaBeads wrote:
michaelb wrote:I thought ChNN gave the Drollo empowerment, not just the lung.
there was a thread about it here: http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=6781


ChNN gave the don wang for Drollo, not exactly an empowerment but not different either. Someone with more background could explain the difference perhaps.

As far as I know, ChNN has only given don wang during webcasts, not empowerments. It's impractical to give an empowerment via webcast. But I am definitely not an "expert."


A "don wang" is an empowerment, if you don't believe me ask Rinpoche yourself.

/magnus


I believe you, I believe you, Magnus!

I remembered that Rinpoche said the don wang was the essence of the empowerment. Dronma's distinction that it was not an elaborate initiation was helpful. All these terms!!

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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby Sherab Dorje » Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:24 am

Is the Dragphur empowerment HYT?
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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby heart » Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:52 pm

Sherab Dorje wrote:Is the Dragphur empowerment HYT?


The one ChNNR gives is Anuyoga.

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Re: Dorje Drollo Practice

Postby conebeckham » Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:55 pm

I think all the donwangs are Anu or higher--you can't really equate the yana schemes of Sarma and Nyingma, but Anu is high level.

Also--for most practices I know of, action mantras are auxiliary and there's often a requirement to complete a certain number of main mantras first--or a certain time requirement. But I don't know if this is the case in CNNR's system.
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