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What to make of such a statement of a Bhikkhu?

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What to make of such a statement of a Bhikkhu?

Postby perkele » Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:37 pm

Hello friends!

I quote a Bhikkhu: "I have fought with lust and greed for years. Now it has been overcome. And because of that nothing can grapple/hook/seize/take hold of me anymore." (translated from German: "packen" translates to something like "to grapple" or "to hook" or "to seize" or "to take hold of")

I was quite baffled, thinking "Does he imply he is an arahat?"

Not sure what to make of it. What would you make of it?

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Re: What to make of such a statement of a Bhikkhu?

Postby Khalil Bodhi » Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:38 pm

I certainly would not bring such a question to a group of people who do not know the context in which it was said and who are not acquainted with the venerable in question. Have you asked the venerable what he meant when he said it?
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Re: What to make of such a statement of a Bhikkhu?

Postby perkele » Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:56 pm

No, I haven't. I was not present. I just heard this in a recorded audio talk.

I hope I find the courage to ask him myself should I see him myself again.

Probably you're right that it is bad to quote this out of context. And maybe it's just my misinterpretation that he is alluding to something. It just sounded quite definite to me at first, but now I'm not so sure.

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Re: What to make of such a statement of a Bhikkhu?

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Re: What to make of such a statement of a Bhikkhu?

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Re: What to make of such a statement of a Bhikkhu?

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Re: What to make of such a statement of a Bhikkhu?

Postby perkele » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:34 am

Sorry. I just noticed a mistake in my translation.
German "ist überwunden" translates to "has been overcome", not "is overcome".
Anyway, probably just a silly idea of mine to draw any conclusions.
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Re: What to make of such a statement of a Bhikkhu?

Postby ground » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:32 am

What to make of such a statement of a Bhikkhu?

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Re: What to make of such a statement of a Bhikkhu?

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Re: What to make of such a statement of a Bhikkhu?

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:51 am

Well there are two attainments which could be derived from this statement, however, without a context it is difficult to know what he meant.

he could of been relating a story and the person too the statement out of context!


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
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Re: What to make of such a statement of a Bhikkhu?

Postby fragrant herbs » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:20 pm

Personally, I think he is to be admired and this doesn't seem to me to imply that he is an arahat. It could imply just what he said, nothing more.


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