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Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

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Re: Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

Postby Viscid » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:06 pm

How'd you come to find this book? It seems awfully obscure. I can't even find it on Amazon or Google Books.
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Re: Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

Postby Mr Man » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:04 am

Here is a little snippet where Goenka relates a meeting he had with Krishnamurti
http://www.buddhanet.net/bvk_study/bvk22c.htm
There seems to be a fair bit relating to Buddhism/Krishnamurti on the Buddhanet site.

I went to listen to Krishnamurti speak at Brockwood Park as a monk along with other monks - I found the atmosphere at Brockwood Park rarefied. I also remember watching a video of Krishnamurti teaching children in India, which I found very impressive. I would recommend "Krishnamurti's notebook" and network of thought.

In probably Krishnamurti's most famous speech* he says "I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally." which is possibly in conflict with the teachings of the Sutta Pitaka but in my opinion that is to miss the point.

*Dissolution Speech http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/about-kris ... speech.php

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Re: Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

Postby Will » Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:33 pm

Krishnaji seemed to think that intensity of attention was all that was needed in his "pathless path". He was hostile (after 1922 or so) to any spiritual path, eight-fold, yoga, lam-rim etc. Any path that was outlined by traditional gurus or texts he would denigrate as a corrupting, distracting outside influence. Never mind virtues, merit-making etc. just increase ones attention....

So I do not see any compatibility of K. with Theravada or any path.
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Re: Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

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Re: Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:29 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

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Re: Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

Postby vinasp » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:54 pm

Hi Retro, everyone,

From memory K said something like: "Total transformation does not require time."

It would seem to be a version of "sudden enlightenment."

Which is also found in the Sutta Pitaka eg: Parileyya Sutta SN 22.81

Regards, Vincent.

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Re: Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

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A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

Postby Travis » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:52 am

Hey Retro,

http://www.shambhala.com/html/catalog/i ... -072-5.cfm Check out the excerpt under the Read More heading on the right.

This is a link to a fairly interesting talk between Walpola Rahula and Krishnamurti that was published as a book titled "Can Humanity Change" With a little digging you could also probably find an audio or text version online because a lot of Krishnamurti's talks are available for free. Just cross reference the speakers, date and/or place of the talk.

I'm not sure if this is all of it but here is some at least:
http://www.jiddu-krishnamurti.net/en/19 ... urti-truth
http://www.jiddu-krishnamurti.net/en/19 ... urti-death

You might also be interested in a short reference to Krishnamurti (as Krishnamurthy) by Bhikkhu Nanananda in "Section III Notes to the Bhaddekaratta Sutta" (Ideal Solitude p. 17 & 18)

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Re: Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

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Re: Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

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Re: Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

Postby Travis » Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:08 am

:twothumbsup: Yeah, that's it. Thanks, Tilt.

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Re: Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

Postby rowboat » Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:16 am

Not so much the faculty of memory, Tilt Billings, but the entire mass of mental activity which lies outside of momentary awareness. It's what is meant by "the first step is the last step," where it is presumed that at some point along a process within momentary awareness, of its own accord, one may come upon the other, borrowing here from Krishnamurti's own idiom. It's my view that Krishnamurti's teachings are, to a large degree, completely anathema to the Path as revealed by The Buddha.
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Re: Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

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Re: Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

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Rain soddens what is covered up,
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Therefore uncover what is covered
That the rain will not sodden it.
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Re: Compatibility of Buddha and Krishnamurti

Postby rowboat » Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:06 am

If you are familiar with Krishnamurti's talks and writings then you know there is hardly a page that doesn't speak of the present moment which he sets apart from everything else, i.e., one's conditioning or psychological time.
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