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Are we all mad?

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hermitwin
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Are we all mad?

Postby hermitwin » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:14 pm

Recently, I read this 'According to the Buddha, until and unless we are enlightened, we are all crazy. So we are living in a crazy world.'
Any comments?

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Re: Are we all mad?

Postby Stiphan » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:06 pm

It's true:

There are these two sicknesses. What two? Sickness of body and sickness of mind. There are to be seen some beings who can admit to freedom from suffering bodily sickness for one year, two years, ten years, fifty years, perhaps even a hundred years. But it is hard to find beings who can admit to freedom from mental sickness for even a moment, except those who have destroyed the defilements.
A II 143

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Re: Are we all mad?

Postby cooran » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:49 pm

And also:

I think the idea that ‘"All puthujjanas are mad" – could also be taken from the commentary to the Mulapariyaaya Sutta with regard to the perversions of view we read:

"..Or, without releasing such a segment of earth, he perceives it as a being (satta) or as belonging to a being. Why does he perceive it in this way?
This should not be asked, for the worldling is like a madman. He seizes upon anything he can in whatever way he can. or else, the reason is that he has no regard for the ariyans, etc; or, as the Exalted One will say later on, "because it has not been fully understood by him".

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Chris
---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

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Re: Are we all mad?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:50 pm

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Re: Are we all mad?

Postby hermitwin » Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:08 am

Is there a sutta that says' what is important to a fool is unimportant to the
wise and vice versa'?

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Re: Are we all mad?

Postby gavesako » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:31 pm

When people are thinking, ''This is mine! This is mine!'' they feel happy. But when the thing that is ''mine'' is lost, then they will cry over it. This is the path for suffering to come about. We can observe this. If there is no ''mine'' or ''me,'' then we can make use of things while we are living, without attachment to them as being ours. If they are lost or broken, that is simply natural; we don't see them as ours, or as anyone's, and we don't conceive of self or other.

This isn't just talking about a mad person; this is someone who is diligent. Such a person really knows what is useful, in so many different ways. But when others look at him and try to figure him out, they will see someone who is crazy.

When Sumedho looks at lay people, he will see them as ignorant, like little children. When lay people consider Sumedho, they will think he is someone who's lost it. You don't have any interest in the things they live for. To put it another way, an arahant and an insane person are similar. Think about it. When people look at an arahant, they will think he is crazy. If you curse him, he doesn't care. Whatever you say to him, he doesn't react - like a crazy person. But crazy and having awareness. A truly insane person may not get angry when he is cursed, but that's because he doesn't know what's going on. Someone observing the arahant and the mad person might see them as the same. But the lowest is mad, the very highest is arahant. Highest and lowest are similar, if you look at their external manifestation. But their inner awareness, their sense of things, is very different.

Think about this. When someone says something that ought to make you angry and you just let it go, people might think you're crazy. So when you teach others about these things, they don't understand very easily. It has to be internalized for them to really understand.

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Sam Vara
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Re: Are we all mad?

Postby Sam Vara » Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:13 pm

I read this and thought of a little poem by Ajahn Sucitto, called Summer Night:

The warm night gives all the time
to speak quarter-truths and quarter-lies
about things that are not here.

Daubenton's bats flick the lake's full moon
with sudden dark kisses.

Most of us is madness.

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Re: Are we all mad?

Postby amtross » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:41 pm



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