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Whatever happened to the wicked dwarf?

Postby SunRay » Wed May 29, 2013 12:31 pm

One of the popular stories about Shakyamuni Buddha's previous lives is one where Buddha as a captain of a ship kills a wicked black dwarf -as the character is known in Tibet. I assume that the story is familiar to all. I am curious about what became of the evil black dwarf after the captain (a Bodhisattva with clairvoyance and other special skills who would later become a Buddha) killed him. Is he still wondering through hell realms or get a rebirth as a Buddha's disciple or what? :namaste:
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Re: Whatever happened to the wicked dwarf?

Postby Wayfarer » Wed May 29, 2013 1:49 pm

Went into merchant banking, I heard......
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Re: Whatever happened to the wicked dwarf?

Postby Pema Rigdzin » Thu May 30, 2013 5:19 am

I believe he was reborn as Bernie Madoff.
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Re: Whatever happened to the wicked dwarf?

Postby Sherab Dorje » Thu May 30, 2013 8:00 am

Last I heard he was working for Snow White.
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Re: Whatever happened to the wicked dwarf?

Postby SunRay » Thu May 30, 2013 10:53 am

Thank you most kindly. I addressed this issue to Venerable Geshe Thupten Kunkhen and he didn't know either... Or he did, but thought that I just wasn't ready to handle the truth. They do that sometimes.

But, yeah, he could be a previous incarnation of one of the seven dwarfs.

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Re: Whatever happened to the wicked dwarf?

Postby kirtu » Thu May 30, 2013 10:58 am

SunRay wrote:One of the popular stories about Shakyamuni Buddha's previous lives is one where Buddha as a captain of a ship kills a wicked black dwarf -as the character is known in Tibet.


That part I never heard. I thought he was reborn as a major disciple, possibly Maudgalyayana?

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Re: Whatever happened to the wicked dwarf?

Postby Astus » Thu May 30, 2013 12:18 pm

No mention of a wicked dwarf, but the story is the same:

"And the robber died to be reborn in a world of paradise." (The Skill in Means Sutra, p. 74)
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Re: Whatever happened to the wicked dwarf?

Postby SunRay » Thu May 30, 2013 1:05 pm

Astus wrote:No mention of a wicked dwarf, but the story is the same:

"And the robber died to be reborn in a world of paradise." (The Skill in Means Sutra, p. 74)


The idea behind being that the Boddhisattva kills the evil being he takes it's karmic burden upon himself willingly entering the hell realms for the sake of the others? Demon dissolves into Rigpa kinda thing..

The pirate dwarf that gets killed in the story reminds me of demon Apasmara (Ignorance) of the Hindy mythology. There the God needs to adopt the form of Nataraj (Shiva the Destroyer) and perform the Tandava (dance of cosmic destruction) to suppress it, as Apasmara is immortal. ...Of course, it could be purely coincidental that Apasmara is also represented as a wicked black dwarf that is destined to be crushed by the emanation of the Dharma.
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Re: Whatever happened to the wicked dwarf?

Postby Astus » Thu May 30, 2013 3:01 pm

SunRay wrote:The idea behind being that the Boddhisattva kills the evil being he takes it's karmic burden upon himself willingly entering the hell realms for the sake of the others? Demon dissolves into Rigpa kinda thing..


Taking over another's karma is impossible in Buddhism. In the story the captain simple prevented the robber committing murder, that is, generating very bad karma.
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This face, the face at birth."

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