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A question about right view

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A question about right view

Postby pink_trike » Wed May 06, 2009 3:11 am

Could someone point out to me the exact lines in The Discourse on RIght View" that extends the explanation of the view into the mental realm of "supernatural"....particularly in relationship to the repeated use of the phrase "he here and now makes an end of suffering"?
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Re: A question about right view

Postby pink_trike » Wed May 06, 2009 6:31 am

Hi Ven. D,

"Right View" has been pointed at in several threads here as specifically supporting the concept of post -mortem rebirth, a phenomena that would require mechanics that fall outside of scientific visibility. I'm not finding a leaping point in The Discourse on RIght View into this kind of supernatural view.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural

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[general note: It isn't my intent for this to be another discussion of post-mortem rebirth...it is a question of how A becomes B in this particular discourse. I'm more interested in the logic flow that results in a supernatural reading of this discourse. ]
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Re: A question about right view

Postby mikenz66 » Wed May 06, 2009 2:17 pm

While we are on "varieties of Right View" theme, I'd like to ask about MN117: "The Great Forty" http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
As I said over here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1255 the idea of mundane/supermundane right view there seems to be directly from the Abhidhamma, and is the only Sutta I've read where that sort of exposition is presented. Are there others?

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Re: A question about right view

Postby mikenz66 » Wed May 06, 2009 10:28 pm

Dear Ven Dhammanando,

Thank you for the information.

So I am familiar with three forms of right view expressed in the Suttas:
1. Understanding the Noble Truths.
2. Understanding kamma, etc. ("There is what is given and what is offered and what is sacrificed; there is fruit and result of good and bad actions;...).
3. The MN 117 form which is
(a) "With taints" (as in (2)).
(b) "Without taints" (path and fruition definition).

Any other variations?

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Re: A question about right view

Postby pink_trike » Wed May 06, 2009 10:42 pm

Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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