Talking About Kensho

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Postby kirtu » Sun May 26, 2013 5:17 pm



"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Re: Talking About Kensho

Postby kirtu » Sun May 26, 2013 5:20 pm



"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Talking About Kensho

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Sun May 26, 2013 6:38 pm

It seems to me that meditation experience period is only worth discussing when one needs help, or can offer it to someone who does. There's really no other good motivation I think, why else would you even want to describe them? Once we start describing them anyway, they become their own story..it's akin to trying to describe a dream, you can use whatever language or imagery you want, but the taste of the actual dream is never present in those things.
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Re: Talking About Kensho

Postby kirtu » Sun May 26, 2013 6:48 pm



"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Re: Talking About Kensho

Postby tingdzin » Sun May 26, 2013 8:37 pm

Yes, Johnny Dangerous hit it on the head. There is no real point in discussing such things with anyone other than a teacher or very qualified senior student, since the experience is never the same as the telling of it, particularly if it is repeated over and over. Just as "people who show all soon become all show", people who tell all soon become all talk.

I believe Kapleau Roshi printed his students' accounts to encourage others to strive hard, and in that they show that a wide variety of people can, through hard work, actually break some barriers, they have some value. Unfortunately, they also make it easier for the charlatans and the self-deluded to go astray. And in the end, reading about other peoples' experiences is just a kind of spiritual pornography.

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Re: Talking About Kensho

Postby lobster » Mon May 27, 2013 6:50 am

The reason for alluding to, symbolically describing, creating a template for, writing poetry about, expressing in song or dance etc
is to assure us that Love . . .
and awakening exist.

Some never get it. Still the songs.

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Re: Talking About Kensho

Postby MalaBeads » Mon May 27, 2013 9:06 am

I am well aware of my idiocy. I am also very aware that you too are an idiot. Therein lies our mutuality.

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Re: Talking About Kensho

Postby Sara H » Tue May 28, 2013 2:03 am

"Life is full of suffering. AND Life is full of the Eternal
IT IS OUR CHOICE
We can stand in our shadow, and wallow in the darkness,
OR
We can turn around.
It is OUR choice." -Rev. Basil Singer

" ...out of fear, even the good harm one another. " -Rev. Dazui MacPhillamy

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Re: Talking About Kensho

Postby MalaBeads » Tue May 28, 2013 9:15 am

I am well aware of my idiocy. I am also very aware that you too are an idiot. Therein lies our mutuality.

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Re: Talking About Kensho

Postby oushi » Tue May 28, 2013 12:51 pm

Say what you think about me

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Re: Talking About Kensho

Postby Arjan Dirkse » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:06 pm

One problem I have with talking about stuff like kenshos it is it can become a kind of bragging exercise, or groupthink exercise. "So how many kenshos have you had? I 've had a couple this morning before breakfast!" Of course it can be discussed, but generally better not to shout it from the rooftops.


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