Who owns the Dharma?

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Re: Who owns the Dharma?

Postby yegyal » Thu May 23, 2013 2:00 pm

Though I thoroughly agree with your sentiment Khedrup, I should point out that most translation groups that I know of do rely heavily on patronage both for the process of translation and the publication of the completed works. In other words, we wouldn't even be able to buy these books for the prices that publishers offer them if it weren't the fact that entire process is funded, and or subsidized, by the generous support of Dharma patrons.

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Re: Who owns the Dharma?

Postby LastLegend » Thu May 23, 2013 2:51 pm

NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Who owns the Dharma?

Postby Karma Dorje » Thu May 23, 2013 8:52 pm

This whole "copyright violation is theft" thing is so ridiculous. Even our courts don't treat it as theft, let alone buddhist mores. Otherwise, offenders would be charged with theft and not copyright violation. To steal something, you must deprive an owner of an object they possess. If you copy something, you create more of it. You don't deprive the copyright holder of an object they possess. Future profits are not something they possess.

Many of those that argue for copyright law here are purposefully using a misleading metaphor, because they probably instinctively recognize the weakness of their argument against copying. It is particularly funny in the context of Dharma when so many of the luminaries would borrow large parts of their treatises from other works. It was widely thought that one should not just write for the sake of writing if someone else has said it better already.

By all means we should support translators by purchasing their products, donating to them, etc. but it is really incumbent on them to find a business model that supports them rather than harping on Internet piracy. That particular horse is long past the gate. I gladly donate to translation efforts and would pay for a subscription model if it was presented to me.
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The Chinese characters are Fo (buddha) and Ming (bright). The image is of a student of Buddhism, who, imagining himself to be a monk, and not understanding the true meaning of the words takes the sound of the words literally. Likewise, People on web forums sometime seem to be foaming at the mouth.
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Re: Who owns the Dharma?

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"Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour."
-Padmasambhava

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Re: Who owns the Dharma?

Postby pemachophel » Fri May 24, 2013 4:08 pm

Copyright is a Western legal convention that has been adopted by most, if not all, countries by international convention. Copyright exists for the lifetime of the author (such as a translator who has copyright for the translation but not for the original departure language work) as well as 100 years from the creation of the work. After 100 years, any and all previously copy-righten materials enter the public domain, meaning anyone can do anything they want with them. BTW, according to U.S. law, copyright exists automatically as soon as a work is created regardless of whether the author or their agent has formally submitted a copyright form with the Library of Congress copyright division. Such formal submission is merely legal evidence proving one's copyright should breach of copyright become legally actionable.

Sorry, I was copyright editor for the publishing company I worked for for 30-some years.

For me, the issue comes down to whether the author (or translator) personally intends/intended for the free distribution and use of their work or not. In other words, from a Buddhist POV, whether something is "freely given" or not. If not freely given, then, as far as I can see according to the teachings on the 10 demeritorious actions, it is stealing with the karmic repercussions of stealing.
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Re: Who owns the Dharma?

Postby Tom » Fri May 24, 2013 5:39 pm

Hopefully we all agree that the fact that the dharma has no owner is not a good reason to continually benefit from the efforts of translators without supporting them.

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