Mahamudra and tantra

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Re: Mahamudra and tantra

Postby lama tsewang » Sat May 18, 2013 6:06 am

somewhere , in one of his transcripts Trungpa joked that his friends made funof him because , mahamudra being part of anuttara tantra is lower than the three highest yanas of the nine yanas . somewhere, also in Crystal Mirror , I believe, I saw a reference that placed Anuttara of the Sarma Tantra just below Maha Anu and Ati yoga.
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Re: Mahamudra and tantra

Postby heart » Sat May 18, 2013 6:47 am

lama tsewang wrote:somewhere , in one of his transcripts Trungpa joked that his friends made funof him because , mahamudra being part of anuttara tantra is lower than the three highest yanas of the nine yanas . somewhere, also in Crystal Mirror , I believe, I saw a reference that placed Anuttara of the Sarma Tantra just below Maha Anu and Ati yoga.
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Sarma and Nyingma are not parts of the same system so that seems strange to me.

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Re: Mahamudra and tantra

Postby muni » Sat May 18, 2013 11:11 am

The high and the low and all clasifications are the domain of clasifying comparing mind while nature has no any comparisions.
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Re: Mahamudra and tantra

Postby anjali » Sat May 18, 2013 3:57 pm

heart wrote:
lama tsewang wrote:somewhere , in one of his transcripts Trungpa joked that his friends made funof him because , mahamudra being part of anuttara tantra is lower than the three highest yanas of the nine yanas . somewhere, also in Crystal Mirror , I believe, I saw a reference that placed Anuttara of the Sarma Tantra just below Maha Anu and Ati yoga.
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Sarma and Nyingma are not parts of the same system so that seems strange to me.

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This quote by Berzin has bearing on this issue (http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/ar ... gchen.html):
Whether on the gross, subtle, or subtlest clear light level, the nature of mental activity remains the same. Mahamudra (phyag-chen, great seal) practice, found in the Kagyu, Sakya, and Gelug/Kagyu traditions, focuses on this nature. The Kagyu and Gelug/Kagyu traditions have both sutra and anuttarayoga tantra levels of the practice, while Sakya only an anuttarayoga one. In other words, Sakya mahamudra focuses only on the nature of clear light mental activity, while the other two traditions include focus on the nature of the other levels of mental activity as well.

Rigpa shares the same nature as the three levels of mental activity analyzed by the non-dzogchen schools. Dzogchen practice, however, is exclusively done on the highest level of tantra and deals only with the subtlest level of mental activity. Moreover, dzogchen does not focus merely on the conventional and deepest natures of rigpa, but also on its various aspects and facets.
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  • All activities are like the games children play. If started, they can never be finished. They are only completed once you let them be, like castles made of sand. --Khenpo Nyoshul Rinpoche
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Re: Mahamudra and tantra

Postby heart » Sat May 18, 2013 9:00 pm

muni wrote:The high and the low and all clasifications are the domain of clasifying comparing mind while nature has no any comparisions.


Of course.

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